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Even After Fix, Windows 10 Update Is Botching File Operations

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Re: Even After Fix, Windows 10 Update Is Botching File Operations

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Post by wvenable »

gmueckl wrote: post #90
wvenable wrote: post #72

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Microsoft seems to think users are idiots. And often they are. But you can't help these people, every solution they come up just creates more idiots who don't know how it works. Some point soon we'll all be idiots who don't know how anything works anymore.

Maybe you can make computers easier to use by providing abstracted, context-dependent views of the data instead. Mobile phones rely on that prerty successfully. But they also do not merge these views with the single file manager the system has. Therein lies the true madness of the Windows Explorer in my oppinion. If you want to have a view for the barely computer literate average user, (ab-)use the myriad predefined…

Mobile iOS don't abstract complexity; they don't have complexity. Mobile apps are just silo's that can barely communicate with each other. Nobody working on a PC wants that.

You cannot simultaneously give people the power to work on files between multiple apps, organize them how they want, and make it as dumb as iOS. You want to zip up your photos and email them to your boss? Good luck getting your photo gallery to do that.

Re: Even After Fix, Windows 10 Update Is Botching File Operations

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Post by another-cuppa »

ttty wrote: post #69
dschuler wrote: post #47

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I know you're saying this in jest, but the (US) government wrote code to fly to the moon and back, control robots on Mars, and model the earth (e.g. DoD's WGS 84, all the work by NIST, etc.). Sure, healthcare.gov was not a smooth rollout, but they do deserve some credit overall. Now Windows on the other hand.... I just set up Windows on a new laptop I bought recently.. just plain Windows as it shipped with my new lap…

Never happened to me with Windows. It's not the best, but works. Linux on the over hand it's a continuous installation of drivers and fixing functionality that works out of the box on my windows: graphics problems, audio, screen, usb, WiFi. Of course and then you try to install some module and says you have incompatible modules. Then you need to figure out what modules you need to change to match the version of the m…

> Linux on the over hand it's a continuous installation of drivers and fixing functionality that works out of the box on my windows

Actually things are more likely to work "out of the box" on Linux if you're a bit careful with what hardware you buy. Windows is the one that needs drivers for just about everything. Linux has thousands built in. I haven't had to do anything after installing Ubuntu for years.

Re: Even After Fix, Windows 10 Update Is Botching File Operations

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hyperman1 wrote: post #83
dragonwriter wrote: post #73

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> That's because they're usually required to accept the lowest reasonable bid. Lots of public sector bodies use best-value rather than lowest-bid procurement.

Not in the EU if you have to buy something expensive with tax money. Because the Public Procurement directive says you * are required to hold a public tender * Before you start, you create a list of criteria, with a weight for each of them. * 50% of the weight goes to price. * Once the process starts, common sense is treated as being bribed. Turns out it is very easy to be 50% cheaper than anybody else if you are not…

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Re: Even After Fix, Windows 10 Update Is Botching File Operations

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Post by windowsworkstoo »

mehrdadn wrote: post #78
pdimitar wrote: post #25

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Personal goal: gather ~$13,500 and buy the maxed out iMac Pro 2017 -- 4TB SSD, 128GB RAM, Xeon W (18 cores, 2.3Ghz, turbo boost to 4.3GHz, 42.75MB cache), 10Gb ethernet link, 4 USB Type-C ports, 4 Thunderbolt 3 slots, amazing display. I view it as an at least 7 years of investment, if not 11-12 even. (Especially now that macOS has a dark theme as well.) I have a very keen interest in Linux and the people who make it…

> $13,500 > I view it as an at least 7 years of investment, if not 11-12 even. Hmm, that's equivalent to spending between $1-2k to get a new computer every single year. That sounds like an awful investment to me, and I don't think most people would consider it a good investment to have to buy a $1-2k computer every single year. How do you see that as a good investment?

Not the OP but I bill around that per day, so the investment would only be a days worth of billable time to stay cutting edge, so makes sense in that perspective.

Re: Even After Fix, Windows 10 Update Is Botching File Operations

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Post by pjmlp »

wvenable wrote: post #91
gmueckl wrote: post #90

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Maybe you can make computers easier to use by providing abstracted, context-dependent views of the data instead. Mobile phones rely on that prerty successfully. But they also do not merge these views with the single file manager the system has. Therein lies the true madness of the Windows Explorer in my oppinion. If you want to have a view for the barely computer literate average user, (ab-)use the myriad predefined…

Mobile iOS don't abstract complexity; they don't have complexity. Mobile apps are just silo's that can barely communicate with each other. Nobody working on a PC wants that. You cannot simultaneously give people the power to work on files between multiple apps, organize them how they want, and make it as dumb as iOS. You want to zip up your photos and email them to your boss? Good luck getting your photo gallery to d…

For sure you can do that on Android, and I guess with the new iOS file extensions as well.

Re: Even After Fix, Windows 10 Update Is Botching File Operations

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Post by vbezhenar »

pdimitar wrote: post #25
stevenwoo wrote: post #11

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What are you switching to in the future for desktop/laptop?

Personal goal: gather ~$13,500 and buy the maxed out iMac Pro 2017 -- 4TB SSD, 128GB RAM, Xeon W (18 cores, 2.3Ghz, turbo boost to 4.3GHz, 42.75MB cache), 10Gb ethernet link, 4 USB Type-C ports, 4 Thunderbolt 3 slots, amazing display. I view it as an at least 7 years of investment, if not 11-12 even. (Especially now that macOS has a dark theme as well.) I have a very keen interest in Linux and the people who make it…

I don't think that iMac would last for 12 years. I would save that money for Mac Pro which they promised to be good.

Re: Even After Fix, Windows 10 Update Is Botching File Operations

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Post by pjmlp »

beagle3 wrote: post #87
Animats wrote: post #44

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I don't. I have one Windows 7 machine left. Windows 7 was peak Microsoft. Between trying to make desktop look like mobile and adding built-in spyware and ads, it's been downhill since then.

MacOS works very well. And if you don’t like Apple hardware, so do many Linux distributions (Ubuntu is very popular and easy to get support for), and even FreeBSD and OpenBSD if you are willing to put in more time. Most people are better served by NOT windows. Using Win10 without a specific program that isn’t available for macOS/Linux is bordering on masochism.

> Using Win10 without a specific program that isn’t available for macOS/Linux is bordering on masochism.

Some of us like 100% laptop support without speeding weekends tweaking them instead of being at the park with friends and family.

Even buying from Linux friendly hardware stores isn't always a success, as proven by my own Asus netbook.

Re: Even After Fix, Windows 10 Update Is Botching File Operations

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Post by lozenge »

skolsuper wrote: post #76
drewmol wrote: post #66

>The good news is, if you use a third-party app for archives, such as WinZip, WinRAR or 7-Zip, you won't encounter the bug. I'm not excusing the bug, but 7-zip had been one of the first tools I install on any windows installation since XP, setting it as default application to handle all archive formats it supports, .zip included. I'm surprised to see so many comments about potentially running into this bug, doesn't e…

When I hear 7zip I associate it with security vulnerabilities. I remember reading a couple of articles last year that said 7zip was maintained and distributed by a single person with not-stellar security practices, and most mirrors online are hosting old, insecure versions. Therefore I wouldn't recommend it to anyone that doesn't "know what they're doing" wrt security. source: https://borncity.com/win/2018/02/21/secu…

"most mirrors online are hosting old, insecure versions"

The same can be said for every Windows software. Heck, even Windows itself. Although it offers you the option to install updates before exposing your computer to any security risks, I doubt many people are patient enough to take it.

Re: Even After Fix, Windows 10 Update Is Botching File Operations

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Post by SyneRyder »

Teckla wrote: post #8
thrower123 wrote: post #2

Yikes. This sounds, however, like a completely different bug, if it is only triggered by unzipping archives. I'm sure that the situation is more complicated than it looks - because it looks like there is just a shocking lack of QA testing being done, if basic edge cases like this are resulting in undefined behavior.

I'm astonished Microsoft doesn't have automated tests for something as mundane as testing their built-in zip archive extraction functionality.

Peter Bright at Ars Technica had an interesting article on the Windows development process, with a tidbit of information I thought was interesting. Apparently it's permitted to integrate code into Windows that doesn't have tests:

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/10/microsofts-problem-i...

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