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Even After Fix, Windows 10 Update Is Botching File Operations

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Re: Even After Fix, Windows 10 Update Is Botching File Operations

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post #64

Note that the windows implementation of zip/unzip does not always return the original file contents after a round trip. Yes, I’ve seen it myself. That’s an even more serious bug, but it’s been there since win7 at least. I don’t trust the builtin zip at all.

Do you have any links to bug reports or other documentation about this?

Re: Even After Fix, Windows 10 Update Is Botching File Operations

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post #55

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I know it was an error on my part, but I lost an updated password database file because of unexpected behavior with the Windows file explorer. I had mainly been working out of a single folder, so I didn't realize the next time that I opened the file explorer that it was showing me "quick access" since the file list was populated with the contents of the one folder I was using. I dragged the updated database file to t…

This shows what a steamimg pile of incoherent features and behaviours the Windows Explorer has been gradually turned into since Windows 7. It is quite hard for average users to coax that tool into showing an actually honest content of some directory on the hard drive. There are so many abstractions, redirections, alternative view and on the fly translations (only obvious with languages other than English) in there th…

Microsoft seems to think users are idiots. And often they are. But you can't help these people, every solution they come up just creates more idiots who don't know how it works. Some point soon we'll all be idiots who don't know how anything works anymore.

Re: Even After Fix, Windows 10 Update Is Botching File Operations

#73

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> or have their OS seized by eminent domain If there's one thing the government is known for, it's writing bug-free, efficient software. Also, for real, this bug is not that bad. It's obviously a bug you'd rather not have. But no user data is lost. It just fails to surface an overwrite dialogue, and assumes the result is no.

> If there's one thing the government is known for, it's writing bug-free, efficient software. That's because they're usually required to accept the lowest reasonable bid. As someone who works in the public sector, trust me, we try to get the money to people we know will do a good job. We have to work with the shit we buy every day. We want it to be good. There's just a lot of people willing to put in maximum of effo…

> That's because they're usually required to accept the lowest reasonable bid.

Lots of public sector bodies use best-value rather than lowest-bid procurement.

Re: Even After Fix, Windows 10 Update Is Botching File Operations

#74

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What are you switching to in the future for desktop/laptop?

Personal goal: gather ~$13,500 and buy the maxed out iMac Pro 2017 -- 4TB SSD, 128GB RAM, Xeon W (18 cores, 2.3Ghz, turbo boost to 4.3GHz, 42.75MB cache), 10Gb ethernet link, 4 USB Type-C ports, 4 Thunderbolt 3 slots, amazing display. I view it as an at least 7 years of investment, if not 11-12 even. (Especially now that macOS has a dark theme as well.) I have a very keen interest in Linux and the people who make it…

Ask Mac users what their favorite version of OS X is and it more than likely won't be the latest one.

But I agree Windows is descending -- they fired the guy the righted the ship and made Windows 7.

For Apple, it's always hard to be sure anyone their really cares about OS X and professional hardware.

Re: Even After Fix, Windows 10 Update Is Botching File Operations

#75
post #66

>The good news is, if you use a third-party app for archives, such as WinZip, WinRAR or 7-Zip, you won't encounter the bug. I'm not excusing the bug, but 7-zip had been one of the first tools I install on any windows installation since XP, setting it as default application to handle all archive formats it supports, .zip included. I'm surprised to see so many comments about potentially running into this bug, doesn't e…

Apparently there are a lot of people also using Explorer for extracting zip files. Those end up in our support because the .NET License Compiler won't license components that have the Internet Zone black mark on them. And Explorer is the only extraction tool to my knowledge that propagates that marker to the extracted files.

Re: Even After Fix, Windows 10 Update Is Botching File Operations

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post #66

>The good news is, if you use a third-party app for archives, such as WinZip, WinRAR or 7-Zip, you won't encounter the bug. I'm not excusing the bug, but 7-zip had been one of the first tools I install on any windows installation since XP, setting it as default application to handle all archive formats it supports, .zip included. I'm surprised to see so many comments about potentially running into this bug, doesn't e…

When I hear 7zip I associate it with security vulnerabilities. I remember reading a couple of articles last year that said 7zip was maintained and distributed by a single person with not-stellar security practices, and most mirrors online are hosting old, insecure versions. Therefore I wouldn't recommend it to anyone that doesn't "know what they're doing" wrt security.

source: https://borncity.com/win/2018/02/21/security-risk-avoid-7-zi...

Re: Even After Fix, Windows 10 Update Is Botching File Operations

#77
post #35

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Seized, absolutely not. Of course since the government already has the source there is nothing that needs to be seized. The government can just declare the temporary monopoly that they granted on copying it to be over (to be clear, this would take an act of congress...). I'd almost be sympathetic to them doing that - but I also think the outcome would be absolutely terrible. Necessary maintenance (fixing security bug…

The government can just declare the temporary monopoly that they granted on copying it to be over IANAL, but I think that would violate the Constitutional prohibition of Bills of Attainder.

> IANAL, but I think that would violate the Constitutional prohibition of Bills of Attainder.

No, it wouldn't. A bill of attainder declares a person guilty of a crime or specifies criminal punishment for a particular person.

The 5th Amendment Takings Clause, though, is likely to be an issue.

Re: Even After Fix, Windows 10 Update Is Botching File Operations

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What are you switching to in the future for desktop/laptop?

Personal goal: gather ~$13,500 and buy the maxed out iMac Pro 2017 -- 4TB SSD, 128GB RAM, Xeon W (18 cores, 2.3Ghz, turbo boost to 4.3GHz, 42.75MB cache), 10Gb ethernet link, 4 USB Type-C ports, 4 Thunderbolt 3 slots, amazing display. I view it as an at least 7 years of investment, if not 11-12 even. (Especially now that macOS has a dark theme as well.) I have a very keen interest in Linux and the people who make it…

> $13,500

> I view it as an at least 7 years of investment, if not 11-12 even.

Hmm, that's equivalent to spending between $1-2k to get a new computer every single year. That sounds like an awful investment to me, and I don't think most people would consider it a good investment to have to buy a $1-2k computer every single year. How do you see that as a good investment?

Re: Even After Fix, Windows 10 Update Is Botching File Operations

#79
post #5

Microsoft has turned Windows Update into a cancer that is the single reason I am going to abandon their platform in future machine purchases. Can't believe I'm longing for the days of Vista (well post-SP1).

What are you switching to in the future for desktop/laptop?

If I had the cash (like $25k budget), I'd go all out on a Talos II (by Raptor Engineering) with maxed out CPU and RAM configuration, and if I couldn't get OpenBSD running on it I would christen it with NetBSD.

I would love a "fully open" hardware platform, which is a non-starter in the Apple and amd64 PC world today. It'll take an act of congress (or a California proposition) to enact a tax high enough to economically make this be fixed, say 100%, on all consumer products containing microprocessors which read software/firmware/microcode from a memory store yet a) prevent the owner, if competent, from modifying the software by means of cryptographic signature or "burn-in," and/or b) do not provide enough documentation on design, where a competent owner could write his own software/firmware/microcode, and write his own drivers. This will apply to cars, microwaves, TVs, Intel/AMD CPUs, GPUs, cellphones both smart and dumb, game consoles, kids' toys, and even greeting cards, etc. To not have a 100% endpoint tax, the device must either be: immediately owner writable, or b) must have a jumper or DIP switch to enable owner write-ability, or c) must include a mechanism to accept owner cryptographic public keys to allow owner to write his own signed image, or d) must have an entry for an OEM-provided code which unlocks owner write (OEM must immediately give this code unconditionally on owner request, and may limit warranty for that particular device), and in all cases where OEM public keys exist, they must be completely purge-able.

In the age of Snowden and IoT rolling in, it's completely unacceptable that we lack Total Owner Control of our microprocessor-bearing devices. If Apple or Intel refuse, they can try to justify $1,600-$2,000 iPhones and $400-$1,000 basic CPUs and GPUs to the consumer. Closed hardware will become a national security risk if it isn't already; it's time to nip it in the bud before so.

Re: Even After Fix, Windows 10 Update Is Botching File Operations

#80

Sounds like Linux-class bugs (e.g. KDE copy/paste not working correctly sometimes[0]). I guess Windows has lost its advantage of perceived quality. [0]: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/9a7k2i/psa_on_kde_ne...

:D As a Linux-lover, Windows 10 has been an absolute gold mine. I get to roll out all the old lines... "I need a system that just works", "I can't afford to waste time fixing it after every update", "it's just a toy OS"[1], etc.

[1] Go on, tell me why Candy Crush is installed by default in the Enterprise edition...

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