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You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

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Post by DtnB »

EpicEng wrote: post #403
DtnB wrote: post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

worked BOH for years, had friends in FOH of many small restaurants and bars for years. Saw all sorts of shady stuff.

Sure, and murder is still a thing even though we have laws against it. All laws are broken by some people, but the matter at hand isn't "does this ever happen?", it's "does this happen so often as to constitute a massive and consistent pattern of wage theft?"

From another comment:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/restaurant-chains-hit-w...

https://www.phillyemploymentlawyer.com/wage-theft-epidemic-r...

https://www.epi.org/publication/employers-steal-billions-fro...

https://www.restaurant-hospitality.com/legal/la-restaurant-p...

https://www.eater.com/2018/9/25/17886990/how-restaurants-ste...

Re: You Want 20% for Handing Me a Muffin? The Awkward Etiquette of iPad Tipping

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Post by ap3 »

combatentropy wrote: post #385
tptacek wrote: post #209

Hacker News threads about tipping are always rough. US tipping is not complicated. You are being asked to share with a service worker's employer some of the burden of compensating them. The notion that you're rewarding exceptional service is a polite fiction. Depending on where you are, the tip is either expected or it isn't. Unfortunately for the mindset of a typical software developer, there won't be much clarity o…

> You are being asked to share with a service worker's employer some of the burden of compensating them. The entire burden of compensating them is on me either way, isn't it? The employer doesn't pay the employee out of his own money. He pays it out of the money that comes from customers. The question is simply the route. Either I pay $4 for a muffin, and all of it goes to the employer before any reaches the employee…

In addition to this, in some places the tips are shared. You don’t even know who gets the tip!

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Post by bb88 »

combatentropy wrote: post #385
tptacek wrote: post #209

Hacker News threads about tipping are always rough. US tipping is not complicated. You are being asked to share with a service worker's employer some of the burden of compensating them. The notion that you're rewarding exceptional service is a polite fiction. Depending on where you are, the tip is either expected or it isn't. Unfortunately for the mindset of a typical software developer, there won't be much clarity o…

> You are being asked to share with a service worker's employer some of the burden of compensating them. The entire burden of compensating them is on me either way, isn't it? The employer doesn't pay the employee out of his own money. He pays it out of the money that comes from customers. The question is simply the route. Either I pay $4 for a muffin, and all of it goes to the employer before any reaches the employee…

If tipping were truly a gift, which is what it should be then I'd be fine with it. But it's become an obligation using the excuse, "But the employer doesn't pay that much." Or "Those people get treated pretty rough."

And then people that should be tipped, aren't. I'm thinking about a helpful secretary at work that moves calendar entries around to get you a meeting with a high level manager, or a nurse working a double shift in the emergency room easing the pain of your kid's broken arm.

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Post by tptacek »

SilasX wrote: post #416
tptacek wrote: post #396

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First they came for the 20% at Per Se, and I did not speak out, for I wasn't the person paying the tab. Then they came for the 20% at Ruth's Chris, and I did not speak out, for I had gotten tipsy on cabernet. Then they came for the 20% at Olive Garden, and I did not speak out, for I thought the server was attractive. Then they came for the 20% at Intelligentsia, and I did not speak out, for the creeping norm of payin…

If this is trying to be clever, it could use some work, and if there's a substantive point, I'm not seeing it. The point is that your purported, self-glorifying norm asks one to pay the default PoS tip of everyone who demands or might demand it in the future, to say "yes" to all of them. Counter purchases, grocery stores, fast food, whatever. Could you maybe consider that there might be better and more practical heur…

Ok, but I draw the line at movie ticket box office purchases. That far, and no further.

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Post by X6S1x6Okd1st »

wetpaws wrote: post #303
pc86 wrote: post #30

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Or the same one more than once. Stiffing waiters in the same establishment more than one is a risky proposition at best.

That's not stiffing, the price is written on a check, so what you probably mean is "economic transaction". Paying waiters low on the other hand is stiffing.

That's not how all the players view it.

Like it or not just because you feel justified in something doesn't mean that others will.

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Post by X6S1x6Okd1st »

jjuhl wrote: post #35
X6S1x6Okd1st wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a bit extreme. I hope you don't eat at sit down restaurants often.

I do. But I never tip. They get the price they ask, that I can see before I order. That should be enough or they should change their prices/wages so tipping is not necessary. And no, I don't feel the least guilty about that.

Just because you feel like something should be a certain way doesn't mean it is.

You are being unrealistic.

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Post by gmjoe »

make3 wrote: post #301
gmjoe wrote: post #294

I think a lot of the frustration isn't from tipping... it's from tip creep . To many people, tipping feels like an unfair relic of the past that can be associated with negatives like racism (servers of color receiving less), pay disparity (why do underpaid servers get to benefit from tips but not underpaid line cooks), etc. At least here in NYC there's been a growing movement of "tip included" restaurants and coffee…

tip included.. that should mean no tip, tip included in the price of the thing, aka salary

Sorryt that's what I meant, yes. The tip is in the price already. E.g. my coffee shop has $4 coffees when surrounding ones are $3. But no tip jar or tip buttons on the terminal.
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