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Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by tinus_hn »

romanovcode wrote: post #123
JepZ wrote: post #80

If you want to use Windows, just do it. But if you had to experience what it feels like when Windows thinks it is time for an automatic-forced-reboot-update which takes 4 hours the day you have to submit a thesis, then you might know why I am not so fond of Microsoft products anymore... By the way, later that month I learned that I had been lucky as some people ended up being stuck within the update.

Never in my life I had 4h updates, not even 1h. Max I had like 10 minutes? Not even a Windows advocate, just stop telling this BS please.

Good luck installing these build upgrades in 10 minutes! For normal people they take between 30 minutes and 2 hours.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by Razengan »

RandomTisk wrote: post #132
kens wrote: post #115

I'm a tolerant person, but recently I switched from Windows to Mac because the forced Windows updates kept messing me up. One time I left a long simulation running overnight. In the morning, I was greeted by a computer that had automatically rebooted to install updates, killing my simulation. Another instance was my daughter's birthday party, where she wanted to show a movie. The computer decided to spend an hour doi…

That really long greeting that says "your files are where you left them" that you can't speed up or cancel out of makes me want to kick puppies.

The last time I installed Windows most of the greeting messages came off as patronizing or subtly sinister, like that one.

Throughout Windows’ history, even before I had ever used Macs, it has felt as if someone at Microsoft keeps having the wrong idea about what people adore about Macs, and tries to imitate that in a “we can do it better” way.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by Razengan »

kgwxd wrote: post #214
kens wrote: post #115

I'm a tolerant person, but recently I switched from Windows to Mac because the forced Windows updates kept messing me up. One time I left a long simulation running overnight. In the morning, I was greeted by a computer that had automatically rebooted to install updates, killing my simulation. Another instance was my daughter's birthday party, where she wanted to show a movie. The computer decided to spend an hour doi…

This also exactly describes the modern gaming experience. It's infuriating.

Thankfully most Japanese games still seem to be free of it.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by Razengan »

ams6110 wrote: post #204
skytreader wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the problem isn't just that Windows updates happen immediately by default. It's that Windows updates when you boot up your computer. See, turning on a computer is an explicit declaration that you want to use it. Windows updates ignores this declaration by taking that time to itself. It doesn't matter if I can defer the update by how many days if one day it will stop/delay me from using my computer when I want…

My memory might be wrong, but I don't think Windows 95 had automatic updates at all. They were tacked on when Windows security vulnerabilities became such a big deal in the late 1990s. Automatic updates felt like a hack in the beginning, and it feels like they still are.

> Automatic updates felt like a hack in the beginning, and it feels like they still are.

iOS made them pretty seamless and second-nature, and I can’t recall macOS ever ruining my day because of forced updates.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by Razengan »

jackfoxy wrote: post #166
sundvor wrote: post #157

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It never stops to amaze me how unwilling most people are to explore the latest Win10 options to always defer updates by number of days (eg stay a week behind on feature updates to let others be more on the cutting edge), or even temporarily freeze the windows update service by up to a two digit number of days. If I ever wanted to be sure that no updates took place I'd use the freeze. Switching OS might be a solution,…

Even deferring updates is not really good about being in your face enough about having a pending update ready, so eventually it's going to update by itself anyway. Regarding switching to Mac, it never ceases to amaze me all of my colleagues who opted for a company Mac when all the productivity tools they need run natively on Windows, and sometimes not on Mac at all. So they set up a Windows partition which is never b…

Have they tried VMs like Parallels or “translation layers” like CrossOver [0]?

[0] https://www.codeweavers.com/products/crossover-mac (don’t mind the old style website.)

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by subraizada3 »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #240
iaml wrote: post #146

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I wish blizzard would release overwatch for linux, so I can forget about running windows.

If Blizzard released their games on Linux I'd be incredibly happy. Most of the time I boot Windows 10 it's to play Heroes of the Storm. Have you had any luck running it with Wine?

I'm not parent, but Overwatch runs very well on my computer with Wine + DXVK (Wine plugin(?) which translates DirectX to Vulkan). Performance is not noticeably worse than Windows.

Edit: I realize you may have been talking about HotS, not OW, but according to Google that should also work if you configure esync: https://github.com/lutris/lutris/wiki/How-to:-Esync

If you have a laptop with switchable graphics, you will need to use nvidia-xrun to enable Vulkan passthrough to the dGPU, but aside from that I just followed these instructions: https://github.com/lutris/lutris/wiki/Game:-Overwatch

Note that the Blizzard app will fail to launch with DXVK enabled, so you have to disable DXVK, launch Battle.net, enable DXVK, and then click the 'Play' button to start Overwatch. I made a few scripts for this, so I just do `./disableDxvk ... ./startBlizzard ... ./enableDxvk ... click play` to run the game.

  WINEPREFIX=~/.overwatch_wine/ setup_dxvk64 # enable DXVK
  WINEPREFIX=~/.overwatch_wine/ winecfg      # disable DXVK: delete the overrides from Libraries tab
  exo-open Battle.net.desktop # launch the Blizzard app, the .desktop should be generated on install

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by Vektorweg »

sarreph wrote: post #215
kens wrote: post #115

I'm a tolerant person, but recently I switched from Windows to Mac because the forced Windows updates kept messing me up. One time I left a long simulation running overnight. In the morning, I was greeted by a computer that had automatically rebooted to install updates, killing my simulation. Another instance was my daughter's birthday party, where she wanted to show a movie. The computer decided to spend an hour doi…

It's funny you mention this as I had a very similar thought the other night when clean-installing an old gaming PC to try some VR stuff on. I'm used to using a Mac, and the update notifications can definitely be annoying, but Windows' default update behaviour is another level of excruciatingly bad UX. I assume — perhaps wrongly — that you can stop windows from installing updates on shutdown/restart. However, the othe…

Wouldn't be a straight Linux distribution the best choice to avoid anything annoying?

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by bArray »

kens wrote: post #115

I'm a tolerant person, but recently I switched from Windows to Mac because the forced Windows updates kept messing me up. One time I left a long simulation running overnight. In the morning, I was greeted by a computer that had automatically rebooted to install updates, killing my simulation. Another instance was my daughter's birthday party, where she wanted to show a movie. The computer decided to spend an hour doi…

This is exactly one of the main reasons why I switched to Linux, it doesn't do anything unless I let it or ask it to - with few exceptions.

My anecdote: I was about to have an important meeting and needed to print off some sheets from my Windows-based netbook. The power was low (FYI the Linux experience has been mostly great. There's been maybe a problem once a year, with some driver or package issue - but most of the time it runs great. I can safely run anything on it overnight knowing that it won't decide to do anything on it's own accord.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by diminoten »

userbinator wrote: post #248
diminoten wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A real Sophie's choice: have your data stolen by hackers because you're vulnerable, or have your data deleted by the patches that secure your system!

The former is blown out of proportion because the vast majority of vulnerabilities are only locally exploitable, and the rest is mostly "visit shady site in IE with default settings" with a tiny bit of "hackers can own your system if you connect it directly to the Internet and don't do anything other than leave it on." My thoughts on the above are, respectively, "meh", "why would you use IE with default settings" , a…

So you pick "have my data and identity stolen" over "my computer occasionally restarts itself while I'm asleep". Alright, good luck!

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by StudentStuff »

ReverseCold wrote: post #254
chx wrote: post #196

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There are two sides of this coin. I have abandoned my attempt of running Linux on my laptop after 17 years . (My Linux server usage goes back to 1993.) There are always problems. Bluetooth breaks often, the MFC device on upgrades, enterprise wifi is iffy (and now it's only enterprise wifi but up until very recently, it was 5GHz wifi) ... I am now on Windows 10 w/ Linux subsystem for Windows. The big upgrades are put…

I actually went the other way around from you. Linux used to be terrible on laptops, but I recently bought a laptop, installed Linux (Fedora with KDE) on it, and everything just worked out of the box. You're probabaly waiting for the "except..." - but there is no "except". Everything works the same or better. I get hours more battery life than windows after installing powerTOP, and about the same before doing that. I…

Out of box Linux support for most laptops is surprisingly good now, leaving the overall quality of the laptop as the real issue. Tons of crummy machines out there with poor displays, hinges designed to fail, a million screws yet the screw mounts love to shear off at the slightest force...
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