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Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by Jedd » Sat, Oct 06, 2018, 10:23 PM UTC

mehrdadn wrote: post #109

warent wrote: post #100

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> ... dialog that automatically opens another dialog that closes if you hit enter. I rarely get upset at computers these days, but this is one of the things that easily boils my blood. It happens with Windows and macOS machines at the most inopportune times. I'll be typing and hit enter, seeing a mysterious dialog appear and vanish in a flash as it stealthily hijacked my "Enter" stroke. "Great, who knows what I just…

This is already done though? It's known as focus stealing prevention. One of my gripes with Linux is that it doesn't work well there, but I've found it is already very well handled in Windows; the trouble only comes up if (a) you pause too long for it to realize you're still typing, or (b) the app goes VERY out of its way to steal your keyboard (like hooking global keyboard messages) which is extremely abnormal. I'm…

> One of my gripes with Linux is that it doesn't work well...

Linux is not a window manager.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by AsyncAwait » Sat, Oct 06, 2018, 10:26 PM UTC

zawerf wrote: post #136

arthurfm wrote: post #64

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Ironically, if you had switched to a Mac sooner you may have been affected by Apple's data loss/corruption bugs. [1] [2] Regardless of OS it's always a good idea to have backups of your important data. [1] https://www.macrumors.com/2018/02/19/apfs-bug-macos-data-los... [2] https://www.iezzi.ch/leopard-1051-massive-data-loss-bug/

Linux (specifically ubuntu in my case) also suffers from somewhat similar problems. Every time I update graphic drivers it's a diceroll on whether it will reboot into a black screen. Sometimes it's recoverable from blindly pasting god-knows-what from stackoverflow. Most of the time I just have to do a complete reinstall. (I guess it's not a complete brick on update because I have never suffered data loss, but it's si…

That seems like either a Ubuntu misconfiguration or buggy drivers when interacting with your hardware, but I certainly wouldn't say it's a "Linux" thing, may be a disto thing, Ubuntu's not known for caring much about the desktop these days. I have been using Linux successfully for more than a decade without such issues, which does not mean it didn't happen to you, but it does mean it's anecdotal. I am on a rolling-release disto, which updates much more frequently than Ubuntu does and yet, I've been able to continually upgrade a single install for the past 3 years without issue.

It's also nowhere near as bad as actually loosing data, as you mentioned.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by giobox » Sat, Oct 06, 2018, 10:26 PM UTC

vbezhenar wrote: post #89

r00fus wrote: post #38

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I think iOS is better. I only get asked to bypass the OS update every month or so and it takes less than three seconds to bypass. They mover force an update but make you aware you're on an older version.

And if you need to restore device, you'll be updated no matter what.

While you can argue it might be nice to have the option to keep the older backup, it’s also kind of a handy feature that I can restore to latest OS and not have to spend time installing updates myself, my data conveniently seeded into the latest software.

At any rate, iCloud is not “backup” in the traditional sense, it’s really “cloud sync” for user data. In that context it’s not really surprising that connecting a new device to iCloud and restoring pulls the newer OS version, given you never really backed up the OS data at any point.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by Noumenon72 » Sat, Oct 06, 2018, 10:26 PM UTC

mehrdadn wrote: post #109

warent wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ... dialog that automatically opens another dialog that closes if you hit enter. I rarely get upset at computers these days, but this is one of the things that easily boils my blood. It happens with Windows and macOS machines at the most inopportune times. I'll be typing and hit enter, seeing a mysterious dialog appear and vanish in a flash as it stealthily hijacked my "Enter" stroke. "Great, who knows what I just…

This is already done though? It's known as focus stealing prevention. One of my gripes with Linux is that it doesn't work well there, but I've found it is already very well handled in Windows; the trouble only comes up if (a) you pause too long for it to realize you're still typing, or (b) the app goes VERY out of its way to steal your keyboard (like hooking global keyboard messages) which is extremely abnormal. I'm…

It happens to me because I have the mouse cursor set to pop to the default dialog box choice.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by doubt_me » Sat, Oct 06, 2018, 10:28 PM UTC

wildrhythms wrote: post #72

coeroble wrote: post #30

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I wanted to avoid giving details, but who cares? Get the ISO from here (it's a magnet link, load it using a BitTorrent client): magnet:?xt=urn:btih:6faec726c7bbb9248b3a3ed8d77bd1a7c4598f05&dn=en_windows_10_enterprise_ltsc_2019_x64_dvd_74865958.iso&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.leechers-paradise.org%3A6969&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fzer0day.ch%3A1337&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.demonii.com%3A1337&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.coppersurfer.tk%3A6969&tr…

Is there any way to verify that this iso hasn't been tampered with?

https://forums.mydigitallife.net/

for all M$ needs and untouched or ISO directly from Media Creation Tool

(there is a modified version of MCT that pulls an enterprise ISO if needed)

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by iaml » Sat, Oct 06, 2018, 10:32 PM UTC

capdeck wrote: post #43

fermienrico wrote: post #34

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I purchased a full Windows 10 Pro license key and yet I am going to pirate the shit out of Windows. I don't want Microsoft siphoning off data from my PC. I don't want Cortana. I don't want ANY FUCKING THING except for a system that is minimal and it works. Why doesn't Microsoft make a developer friendly version NOT targeted for consumers (aka without all the bloat)!? Edit from the other post: Don’t forget the registr…

Why are you fighting the wind(ows)mills? Linux desktop is in it best shape since its inception. Mint (doesn't siphon), Ubuntu (siphons responsibly) or Manjaro (if you miss rolling updates, but for humans)... Why suffer needlessly?

I wish blizzard would release overwatch for linux, so I can forget about running windows.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by mistermann » Sat, Oct 06, 2018, 10:32 PM UTC

captainmuon wrote: post #3

Bizarre. I've seen something like this already in spring. A colleague lost all their documents, and calmly claimed it was probably "Windows Update". Apparently it is common knowledge in the office that Windows Update sometimes does that. I could never verify nor reproduce it, and chalked it up to "users say the darndest things". Files were simply restored from backup. Now I'm beginning to wonder if there was more to…

I booted back into Windows 7 once and the scheduled windows backup ran, deciding to overwrite an absolute ton of files, even though it had been configured to write to a specific directory that still existed and with plenty of room. I can't even imagine how these things happen, do they have dumb interns writing this stuff?

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by alan_n » Sat, Oct 06, 2018, 10:34 PM UTC

So glad now I turned off Window's updates (because no matter what I did they kept installing when they shouldn't have).

I have been considering moving to linux for a while now because there's finally good alternatives for some of the apps I use, and I'm definitely going to start the move now.

I had all my user folders moved and this could have been me (and my backup drive just died too!). The user folders were actually part of the reason I disabled them. Every time, without fail, the moved user folders would get duplicated because Windows would recreate them at their default locations. I wouldn't be surprised if this bug wasn't related to that one.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by giobox » Sat, Oct 06, 2018, 10:35 PM UTC

vbezhenar wrote: post #85

sgwae wrote: post #70

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It looks like desktop linux/ unknown browser is negligable in userbase. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_sys...

Why do you care? It works.

The idea that you can take the current state of modern desktop Linux as a consumer OS for the masses* is still just as crazy in 2018 as it always has been in years past.

I’m old enough to have seen a generation of Linux reviews proclaiming “this is the one!!” that can be the viable desktop OS for your family’s computers, and it never happens (the marketshare figures speak for themselves).

A consumer OS simply cannot ever require the average user to open a terminal window to fix, configure or install something, _ever_, to be a valid third choice for almost everyone who doesn’t have a Hacker News account. Windows and MacOS achieve this for the most part.

Google almost any kind of technical issue for, say Ubuntu, someone will suggest typing something in a terminal window that the average user doesn’t understand at all almost immediately.

* I will accept of course that ChromeOS is a notable exception, but this works radically differently for most users compared to most Linux distros.

Re: Microsoft suspends Windows 10 update, citing data loss reports

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Post by doubt_me » Sat, Oct 06, 2018, 10:36 PM UTC

fermienrico wrote: post #95

capdeck wrote: post #43

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Why are you fighting the wind(ows)mills? Linux desktop is in it best shape since its inception. Mint (doesn't siphon), Ubuntu (siphons responsibly) or Manjaro (if you miss rolling updates, but for humans)... Why suffer needlessly?

I have all 3 systems: Mac, Windows and Linux. Most engineering softwares are only and exclusively available on Windows. I’m a Mechanical Engineer. Linux, I use for writing code with open source tools (gcc, clang). Mac, I use for general purpose computing and media consumption.

Use an Enterprise ISO that comes with Local Group Policy Editor.

From there you can turn off or on any feature or function.

I specifically use it to disable all windows defender applications and firewalls (which also automatically kills windows store and updates unless turned back on)

With something called execTI. It lets you modify the registry as a TrustedInstaller so you can turn off any services running aka the 5 or 6 different windows anti malware, defender, firewall, and security services.

If you want more instructions I will help because it is extremely annoying and every update does turn everything back on for the most part. So I do this cat and mouse game about every 2 or 3 months.

My laptop usage on 16GB of ram goes from 25% idle to just under 10% idle. which is my entire point of doing it so I can save battery life that I don't really have.