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Apple's Proprietary Software Locks Kill Independent Repair on New MacBook Pros

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Re: Apple's Proprietary Software Locks Kill Independent Repair on New MacBook Pros

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Post by gumby »

loxs wrote: post #361
gumby wrote: post #178

You know they also sell machines without the secure enclave bonded to the substrate. If you don't want that feature you can buy one of their other machines -- or someone else's. I can find plenty of reasons to dump on Apple, but I do believe their commitment to customer privacy is pretty strong (even before considering that they are a large corporation). And I say that even though I don't believe, say, their commitme…

> I do believe their commitment to customer privacy is pretty strong It might be now (or not, we can't know). But what's your guarantee for the future?

Well of course nobody can but as I commented in my note: historically they have been far less cynical about privacy than they have about commitment to open standards.

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Post by natch »

BrockSamson wrote: post #397
natch wrote: post #376

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The posts above listed a lot of evidence. Maybe you’d care to read them, since you ask. Or provide your own counter evidence.

I'm sorry but anecdotes do not prove that something is objectively better, and if the argument is built on anecdotes, then the argument should be rejected. Also if you make a claim that something is objectively better than the alternative then the burden of proof is on you to show why it is, objectively, better.

That's only one way to assess reality. There are other ways, just as valid. We're not in a debate club here.

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Post by afandian »

dreamcompiler wrote: post #313
afandian wrote: post #284

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It might be the result of a compromise but it is still an active choice. I think it is within the remit of a designer to think how the product will be serviced.

Some designers maybe. Jony Ive clearly couldn't care less about repairability.

If he's selling Apple Care insurance, I bet he does (one way or another)

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Post by dang »

integricho wrote: post #180
dang wrote: post #172

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Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments to Hacker News?

I was under the impression that expressing your own views and opinions is allowed and is a natural part of any discussion. Such expressions cannot be supported with facts.

Well, we're trying for a bit better than the internet default here. The combination of unsubstantive and vehement is particularly bad in a comment, plus it leads to even worse, so we ask users not to post like that to HN.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by oehpr »

prolikewh0a wrote: post #403
zetabyte wrote: post #380

How this kind of business tactic is not illegal? I think this is a clearly violation of user's right to repair.

Freedom.

I mean. I'm not saying you're wrong here. What's freer than an anarchic society after all? Of course, we can justify rules on the grounds of freedom. A king certainly is free, his subjects are not.

So what's freer? A company that controls all aspects of their customers use of their products? Or a company that is restricted from such practices?

I can't tell if your post is sarcastic, glib, factual... So I think you were too terse here. Your meaning is not obvious.

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

parrellel wrote: post #61
rad_gruchalski wrote: post #55

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Time is money. I charge more per hour than my authorized bmw dealer charges me.

That's always such a depressing line of thought.

Maybe that sounded over the top. I don’t come from a wealthy background. I worked 19 years to be here. Sorry if the previous statement was a bit blunt to some.

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Post by stale2002 »

toasterlovin wrote: post #135
stale2002 wrote: post #90

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It is not a trade-off. Apple is instead purposely trying to make it more difficult to repair their devices. This is evidenced because they ate lobbying against right to repair laws. What possible, non bad faith reason could apple have for opposing people's right to repair their own property?

They are lobbying against the right to repair laws because it will limit what they are able to do from a security standpoint. And, since basically nobody repairs their own machines anyway, it would be a damned shame if 100% of their users lost out on having the best security features possible because 0% of their users want to be able to repair their laptop.

It doesn't limit anything.

All right to repair means is that everyone has a legal right to repair something, and apple can't sue you for getting around their restrictions using copywrite or whatever.

I don't think apple should be allowed to sue people for fixing things.

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Post by DubiousPusher »

consp wrote: post #320
DubiousPusher wrote: post #190

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I don't normally give salty replies on HN but I have to say no. This is incorrect. > Issue is that they are lacking on employees for what they want to do. That is not the problem. The problem is many of us do not accept the world in which everything, down to the hardware we touch is just licensed to us. Some of us live to hack, crack and diy. We are jealous of the right to repair, tinker and transform.

> That is not the problem. The problem is many of us do not accept the world in which everything, down to the hardware we touch is just licensed to us. As far as I know, this is not allowed in most of the EU if you bought the device outright. On the other hand: The customer probably bought the phone with a O2 combination contract in which case it is a phone-on-a-loan (as in banking). In that case the provider is resp…

I'm not commenting on the story the OP was sharing here. I'm commenting on the first broad observation they made. They implied that the main issue with Apple locking out repairs on their devices was that Apple themselves could not service all potential necessary repairs because they did not have the scale to do so.

But I say there's a problem way before we get to whether or not Apple can meet the demand for repairs worldwide. I don't like companies that intentionally attempt to prevent people from repairing, hacking or modifying things.

I don't like the term "Right to Repair" because it sounds kind of silly. But I recognize that the industrial revolution, the electronics boom, the invention of the personal computer, desktop software boom and the rise internet were all driven in part by people who tore other people's stuff apart, hacked it, modified it and reinvented it.

Art gets so much credit in terms of being an uplifting passtime but we massively overlook the joy of learning how things work, changing them and sharing them. Anyone who stands in the way of that has lost the love of that. They've lost their passion and I don't really want to pay for their products.

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Post by _Tev »

jen729w wrote: post #258
flukus wrote: post #199

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For someone not blinded by unwavering loyalty you sure do love being locked in to a single vendor. > Don’t tell me that I can get this all with Linux and a Dell. You know I can’t. That's a feature, in every category of electronoic life I have multiple companies competing to provide me with nearly everything I want. > For my “loyalty” to be considered “unwavering” there would have to be a legitimate alternative that d…

“For someone not blinded by unwavering loyalty you sure do love being locked in to a single vendor.” That’ll be a logical fallacy whose name I can’t be arsed finding. I sure do love not having to deal with a bunch of shit just to keep my computers (phones, tablets, watches, earphones, tv) running. That’s what I love. This sad trope of the Apple fanboy needs to die. Just because I love not having to deal with all the…

> But, objectively, for the everyman, is the Apple ecosystem currently the best? It absolutely is.

Sorry but that is simply delusional. Cost alone makes Apple products non-starter for a lot of "everymen" (assuming you don't mean by that US upper middle class), as is "objectively" backed up by market share stats (same assumption).

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