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Apple's Proprietary Software Locks Kill Independent Repair on New MacBook Pros

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Re: Apple's Proprietary Software Locks Kill Independent Repair on New MacBook Pros

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I have had a few run-ins with Apple over the years. Mostly semi-positive. These have been where I've had to take my main work machine in for repair and they've quoted me 14 days, but then turned the repair around in a few days. They've also often thrown in unrelated free stuff too. Last time when I took my Macbook Pro in for the free screen replacement (due to delamination) they also replaced the battery (it was bulging slightly apparently, I'd not noticed) and top case (the trackpad click wasn't reliable), totally free and not required (years out of warranty).

The one case that really sticks in my mind though was when I took a 13" Macbook (pro I think) in to have the keyboard replaced (the trackpad stuck). It was a US model with a US keyboard that I'd bought off the company I used to work for, and I figured that while they were replacing the keyboard they may as well put a UK keyboard on. The Apple reps on the phone, then in store both said this was a reasonable request (as I also thought) and so I left it with them.

I get a call a day or so later saying that they couldn't do the repair because "they had to replace components like for like". Bear in mind this was a paid for repair, not under warranty. I was willing to pay for the parts and labour. Apple confirmed that the new UK keyboard would work, but they weren't allowed to repair the laptop with a different keyboard. Nothing I could do could change their mind, I'd hit a complete brick wall. No keyboards could magically fall through the cracks in the back room and no favours could be done. As reasonable a request that all involved continued to think this was, they wouldn't do anything.

They even called around local apple dealers and none of them would do it either because they were all constrained by Apple's back-office systems.

In the end I bought a genuine, brand-new top case (keyboard, trackpad, integrated battery) off eBay and did the work myself, it worked just fine. No idea where it came from originally.

I guess this shattered any remaining idea I had that Apple was anything other than a machine. The operations side made so efficient by Tim Cook is also incredibly inflexible and as soon as you stray outside the bounds of what it has accounted for you hit a wall. As friendly as the geniuses and store employees are, Apple is not your friend.

Re: Apple's Proprietary Software Locks Kill Independent Repair on New MacBook Pros

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FWIW, I upgraded a 5+ year old MacBook Air to the new MacBook Pro basically because I wanted to. I think the screen was the main driver, but really there was nothing wrong with that Air; as evidenced by the fact that a good friend is now using it as her primary computer. Planned obsolence is another meme that needs to die. Regarding the cost of screens for a phone, what, you wish they were lower? Me too! But they are…

>I’m not suggesting that non-Apple repair is different, but you have to admit that a knock-off 3rd party screen is probably not going to be as reliable. And who wears the pain and anger when that screen doesn’t work? Apple. >You can’t fault them for wanting to control this stuff. If it was my company, I would. Your example with the screen would be similar to changing say a car part you are forced to go to the manufac…

A car doesn’t store all your personal private data, so your analogy doesn’t fit.

Re: Apple's Proprietary Software Locks Kill Independent Repair on New MacBook Pros

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Back when end users could replace (upgrade) RAM and storage, I cared about keeping that flexibility. Now those are soldered to the motherboard and generally non-upgradeable from the start. This change affects “display assembly, logic board, top case (the keyboard, touchpad, and internal housing), and Touch ID board”. I could see wanting an alternate, after-market keyboard, but otherwise am happy to stick with Apple p…

Requiring authorized/first party repair is manifestly bad. Consider what the automobile landscape would look like if the same were true.

> Consider what the automobile landscape would look like if the same were true.

It more or less is that way already, have you had a recent car in the shop? With the diagnostics and systems in all cars going more digital every day, there are lots of things a local independent mechanic can’t fix anymore. I’ve been pushed to the dealer with foreign and domestic brands alike.

Re: Apple's Proprietary Software Locks Kill Independent Repair on New MacBook Pros

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Whereas when I boot my games box into Windows 10 and it sits there saying "Applying updates" for 45 minutes before rebooting and then thrashing itself into unusability for another 45-60 minutes doing ... something ... I feel like I'm being trolled by MS.

I have the same experience with the force upgrades of OSX (due to xcode). Download is big, require massive 21G of free space, takes ages to update on older MBPs, everything gets more sluggish after the update and crashes more often...

I haven't used XCode in a while, but I was always amazed when I had to download the entire, massive, application every update. Android Studio has fairly consistent updates that are around 150-500mb on average.

Re: Apple's Proprietary Software Locks Kill Independent Repair on New MacBook Pros

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> apple-only, apple-only, apple user lock-in, apple walled garden, apple. > don't tell me I can do this with something else than apple. Of you cannot play windows game on your linux box and you cannot get the same experience you have in the walled garden outside of it unless you change and adapt you devices. I have a client with a Linux ecosystem and a single iphone, apple does not provide itunes for linux so making…

Basically everyone in my family used to call me for tech support (parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins), but in the past 3 years or so, I’ve convinced everyone to iPhones and iPads and MacBook Airs, they have have basically zero tech support calls to me. Everything just works as long as they keep track of their Apple ID and iCloud login. There is definitely value to not spending any time or brain cycles worr…

After upgrading every older family member to Chromebook, I have had zero calls for support.

Apple isn't the only game in town.

Re: Apple's Proprietary Software Locks Kill Independent Repair on New MacBook Pros

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“For someone not blinded by unwavering loyalty you sure do love being locked in to a single vendor.” That’ll be a logical fallacy whose name I can’t be arsed finding. I sure do love not having to deal with a bunch of shit just to keep my computers (phones, tablets, watches, earphones, tv) running. That’s what I love. This sad trope of the Apple fanboy needs to die. Just because I love not having to deal with all the…

> But, objectively, for the everyman, is the Apple ecosystem currently the best? It absolutely is. Have any evidence to back up that spurious claim?

The posts above listed a lot of evidence. Maybe you’d care to read them, since you ask. Or provide your own counter evidence.

Re: Apple's Proprietary Software Locks Kill Independent Repair on New MacBook Pros

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The impact of this will be much bigger outside of the US, as most countries outside of North America do not have a single Apple Store. In those countries, usually there is a licensed repair provider, but the customer experience can be drastically different. In Bulgaria, I've had to wait of over 3 weeks for a simple in-warranty repair of a MacBook, like a keyboard replacement. Using unlicensed repair stores has been t…

Yeah, growing up in New Zealand I fixed many of my own and others' MacBooks/iMacs with aftermarket parts for this reason. We had no official channel, outside of shipping to Australia or further which required a 3-4 week wait, a potential invoice, and of course the entire time you're without a machine. It's a real bummer, because this is still the reality today, and some of these repairs are trivial (i.e battery).

Re: Apple's Proprietary Software Locks Kill Independent Repair on New MacBook Pros

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This is an excellent step for protecting MacBook Pro users against hardware invasions (such as US and China border authorities). If you trust the user to replace hardware, you permit the user’s hardware to be altered by malicious actors. By restricting final approval of hardware replacement to a vetted subset of all humanity, you ensure that it’s vastly more difficult for the vast majority of malicious humanity. Yes,…

My opinion about Apple has changed recently. They're now actively promoting privacy and I am OK with trading repairability with privacy. Also, Louis Rossmann on Youtube one of the most vile, deeply corrosive personalities out there and his audience enjoys the bashing of Apple left and right. He has essentially marketed himself as Anti-Apple and his message is always "Apple is Evil".

If you're going to slander Louis, then can you at least back that up with some evidence? Why is showing how he repairs Apple hardware in real time "vile and deeply corrosive?" Please stand by your words and demonstrate with evidence what makes his personality corrosive.
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