These articles about Elon are interesting to me because Tesla could not have become such a valuable car company in such a short time if it wasn't for Elon, and that includes his personality. Yet, many couch investors would prefer to have a CEO who is stable, boring and predictable. People want to put their money in for steady long-term returns, and not worry. Tesla is doing wild things which are causing crazy growth,…
I'm going to push back against this narrative, because it seems a lot of the "let Elon be Elon" arguments are neatly encapsulated in this line: Tesla is doing wild things which are causing crazy growth, but also crazy panic. But the critics of Musk's behavior would respond, I think correctly, that there is a categorical difference between "wild things which cause crazy panic because they are high risk with high upsid…
Elon Musk’s Ultimatum to Tesla: Fight the S.E.C., or I Quit
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Musk sure sounds a lot like a younger Steve Jobs. Maybe he needs to leave then come back?
Comparing Elon to Jobs is a bit insulting to Elon. Elons achievementts are huge.His former wife also had same view expressed in his biogry.
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#163Whats their source for all this? I can't find it in the article anywhere.
For a lot of popular press you can check out the confessed social media propoganda experiment @TeslaCharts for before-it-breaks-on-the-news coverage of whatever sourceless negative article you want. You can also use it to read deluded stock analysis talking points, since the goal of the twitter feed is to produce a profit via a short position on Tesla, many of the narratives are aimed at influencing stock analysis. I…
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You really think that demanding that stock prices aren't unfairly manipulated by inside players is a step too far? That insider trading should be alright?
> That insider trading should be alright? Not commenting on the specifics of this case, but some economists argue that insider trading should be legalized: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insider_trading#Arguments_for_...
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Continuing my original thought. This guy has been married to this company and it's what brought him the fame he has today. Surely, he was successful before starting Tesla, but at least from how I started to know about him, it's as Tesla's CEO.I can only imagine that subconsciously he feels very connected to the company. I've deliberately used "married to Tesla" because i wanted to make an analogy here. I know very we…
Elon didn’t start Tesla and I’m not really sure if he’s really a founder. I believe there was some legal issues regarding founders vs the series A “co-founders”.
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I don't remember Steve Jobs calling random people pedophiles or committing a little light securities fraud while high. Elon brings incredible value to his companies. He also brings incredible risk. The error his fans make is in assuming the two are inseparable--that you can't have the space visionary without the libel, or the automotive and energy revolutionary without the fraud. I think this is a mistake. You could…
Steve Jobs stole $5k from his best friend Steve Wozniak https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/steve-wozniak-cried-jobs-kept-atar... He denied, for many years, that he was a father of his daughter and, while a millionaire, didn't support his daughter or her mother financially. He was investigated by SEC for, wait for it, securities fraud (stock options backdating including his 7.5 million stock options). He wasn't charged. His CF…
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#167Personally, I think Elon Musk wants out of Tesla. The things he did lately, all point to this conclusion. Maybe he lost vision or interest in the company, but leaving from his own will would jeopardize the future of the company, since most of Tesla's backers are fans of him. Arranging himself an exit in this way, would make it look as he's the victim left with no choice but leave.
[0]- https://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-how-teslas-elon-musk...
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Steve Jobs stole $5k from his best friend Steve Wozniak https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/steve-wozniak-cried-jobs-kept-atar... He denied, for many years, that he was a father of his daughter and, while a millionaire, didn't support his daughter or her mother financially. He was investigated by SEC for, wait for it, securities fraud (stock options backdating including his 7.5 million stock options). He wasn't charged. His CF…
Did Musk created his rocket all by himself? Or did he merely overseen the development? Also, Jobs did far more than iPod/iPhone. Both in Apple and in his other companies.
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how is tesla the future? they are still figuring out how to reliably manufacture a very small number of stagnant models, whereas every other car manufacturer iterates on multiple models every year, and it all works like clockwork and yields very reliable and safe cars. my kia optima sxl is much less than 50% of a tesla and yet has a higher fit and finish and is more safe.
`every other car manufacturer iterates on multiple models every year` - that's not actually true. Every other manufacturer maintains the same base for their cars and simply swaps small details around to make it look like you are getting a different car. You are not actually getting anything radically different every year; not even every decade really.
"simply swaps small details" is undercutting the improvements made to the cars, especially with fit and finish, something tesla is rather poor at in my opinion.
my statement is accurate and didn't imply that they redesign the car every year. everyone knows that isn't how it works.