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Bill to ban bots impersonating people for telemarketing and influencing election

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Re: Bill to ban bots impersonating people for telemarketing and influencing election

#121

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Most robocalls come from VOIP addresses outside the US, which can be created/rotated just like spam email addresses.

Then ban the VOIP providers. Maybe they'll adjust their policies accordingly.

I'm using Google Voice, 90% of my incoming calls are spam bots. Ban Google?

Re: Bill to ban bots impersonating people for telemarketing and influencing election

#123
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It should at least require that a human initiates and terminates every single call.

What does that mean, exactly? Does the human have to whistle the DTMF frequencies into a handset to initiate the call, or can they use a machine that generates those tones when buttons are pressed? Can a machine automatically press the buttons? If so, how is that different from what is allowed today?

This is probably not the place to nitpick comments for legalese

If I had my way the only legal phone call is one that begins and ends with a one-on-one conversation with a human, preferably one which the receiver has already met

Re: Bill to ban bots impersonating people for telemarketing and influencing election

#124

The only practical way to enforce this is to fine the telecom carriers that let the overseas junk calls onto their networks in the first place. Speaking of which, it would be great to have a 'no foreign origination' inbound policy. That would require VOIP providers to step up, and that seems like a very complex problem. At this point, I consider telephone communication to be almost a complete loss. We need an entirel…

Wouldn't that mean nobody can call into the US?

Re: Bill to ban bots impersonating people for telemarketing and influencing election

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should at least require that a human initiates and terminates every single call.

What does that mean, exactly? Does the human have to whistle the DTMF frequencies into a handset to initiate the call, or can they use a machine that generates those tones when buttons are pressed? Can a machine automatically press the buttons? If so, how is that different from what is allowed today?

> Can a machine automatically press the buttons?

No.

What's hard about this, if a person presses a button that can cause 1 and only one call. You also can't have a machine listen to see if someone picks up then hand off to a person because a human was not listing at the start of the call.

Re: Bill to ban bots impersonating people for telemarketing and influencing election

#126

I like the idea of this, but I wonder if it will have much impact on the worst offenders. The most frequent and annoying calls are almost always using spoofed numbers and many times originating from outside the country, like India. Is there any way that this law could be enforced... 1)on calls originating outside the state or country? 2) on calls over spoofed numbers?

Make it illegal to be a carrier of those calls, then let the telephone networks figure out how best to block them.

Re: Bill to ban bots impersonating people for telemarketing and influencing election

#127

The only practical way to enforce this is to fine the telecom carriers that let the overseas junk calls onto their networks in the first place. Speaking of which, it would be great to have a 'no foreign origination' inbound policy. That would require VOIP providers to step up, and that seems like a very complex problem. At this point, I consider telephone communication to be almost a complete loss. We need an entirel…

This bill does not address telephone marketing.

Re: Bill to ban bots impersonating people for telemarketing and influencing election

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post #79

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Spoofed Caller ID is a lie, not anonymity. Here's a proposal: 1) Caller may choose to hide/suppress their Caller ID, 2) mandatory option for phone carriers to allow Callee to completely block calls (no ring, no voicemail) that don't carry Caller ID, 3) When present Caller ID must be accurate. The above allows anonymity but disallows deceit. It also provides opt-out for people not to receive anonymous calls. (Anonymit…

Note on above: there are legitimate reasons for businesses to set Caller ID to something other than the call origin. But the "something other" should be selected from a set under the control of the business, not a free for all. I.e., a desk phone with DID may show as the main company number, etc. This takes a little more work to account for, but it shouldn't be a roadblock.

No, a phone should give the exact number for that exact phone, since that is whom I want to call back, should I need to. That phone may be manned by more than one individual (in case of shift work), but nobody should have to go through a phone tree.

Re: Bill to ban bots impersonating people for telemarketing and influencing election

#129

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I never answer a call if the number is not saved on my phone. If it's truly important leave a voicemail, I will get back to you if I have to.

Yeah I recently permanently set my phone to Do Not Disturb, which blocks all calls from people not in my favorites. It’s been great

Yep pretty much the same here. I just leave it on vibrate. I have been getting more and more spam calls though, I should try DnD.

I think ringtones are distracting and totally unnecessary, with a few exceptions. My phone is either in my pocket, or on my desk nearby to where I'll see it ring.

I don't understand people who leave it on loud at work (or worse, leave it on loud then leave the phone at their desk). It's really inconsiderate. They are probably oblivious though, without someone mentioning it to them.

Re: Bill to ban bots impersonating people for telemarketing and influencing election

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post #121

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Then ban the VOIP providers. Maybe they'll adjust their policies accordingly.

I'm using Google Voice, 90% of my incoming calls are spam bots. Ban Google?

90% of everybody's incoming calls are spam bots.
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