Bill to ban bots impersonating people for telemarketing and influencing election

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Post by anonymfus » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 3:01 AM UTC

Bill to ban bots impersonating people for telemarketing and influencing election
leginfo.legislature.ca.gov

Re: Bill to ban bots impersonating people for telemarketing and influencing election

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Post by darawk » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 7:03 AM UTC

I'm all for this...but can we just ban telemarketing entirely? Why is that even allowed? I've always thought that the law should be written such that telemarketing is legal, but if you engage in it, it is no longer illegal to murder you. You can do it, but you lose your murder protection.

Re: Bill to ban bots impersonating people for telemarketing and influencing election

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Post by MrQuincle » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 7:53 AM UTC

"with the intent to mislead the other person about its artificial identity for the purpose of knowingly deceiving the person about the content of the communication"

What has the artificial identity to do with it?

People are coming up with a lot of ways to restrict the freedom of our future artificial children. I'm not certain that's how we have to welcome AI to our world.

1. Ban on AI soldiers https://www.stopkillerrobots.org

2. Ban on AI sex workers https://campaignagainstsexrobots.org/about/

3. Open letter to deny AI the status of legal person: http://www.robotics-openletter.eu

If this is a bill to make sure that bots are not allowed to perform criminal acts that are criminal to humans, this is very reasonable. However, this bill is different:

* It criminalizes impersonation in a particular context;

* It is restricted to bots;

* It is about deceiving someone wrt the contents of the conversation.

It's not coherent.

I hope AI will be forgiving us when they enter the world...

Re: Bill to ban bots impersonating people for telemarketing and influencing election

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Post by genericacct » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 8:01 AM UTC

Step in the right direction, Calfornia

Re: Bill to ban bots impersonating people for telemarketing and influencing election

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 8:08 AM UTC

darawk wrote: post #2

I'm all for this...but can we just ban telemarketing entirely? Why is that even allowed? I've always thought that the law should be written such that telemarketing is legal, but if you engage in it, it is no longer illegal to murder you. You can do it, but you lose your murder protection.

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Re: Bill to ban bots impersonating people for telemarketing and influencing election

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Post by kmlx » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 8:11 AM UTC

I've been wanting to build an online-only bot of myself for some time. This bot would impersonate me and interact with any service provided over the internet, such as banks, government, even ordering a cab. It could both write and speak just as well as I do and would act on my behalf. I can handle potential issues personally.

Would this scenario fall under this law?

Re: Bill to ban bots impersonating people for telemarketing and influencing election

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Post by blurbleblurble » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 8:42 AM UTC

Call me crazy, but I have this weird theory that maybe some of these spam calls could be a form of subtle psi-ops, in the vein of "hypernormalization", designed to exacerbate political prejudices.

Think of "stochastic resonance".

Its one of the few reasons I could think of for "blank" robo calls. They seem almost intentionally annoying, so my thought is that they could be designed to activate and prime irrational regional biases.

For example, someone has been spoofing my number to call people in Alabama. I get about 5 calls back per day from 251 numbers!

Re: Bill to ban bots impersonating people for telemarketing and influencing election

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Post by travmatt » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 8:43 AM UTC

kmlx wrote: post #6

I've been wanting to build an online-only bot of myself for some time. This bot would impersonate me and interact with any service provided over the internet, such as banks, government, even ordering a cab. It could both write and speak just as well as I do and would act on my behalf. I can handle potential issues personally. Would this scenario fall under this law?

The bill states that if you specificy that it’s a bot then it’s fine.

Re: Bill to ban bots impersonating people for telemarketing and influencing election

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Post by sjilo » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 8:43 AM UTC

Thanks, Bill!

Re: Bill to ban bots impersonating people for telemarketing and influencing election

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Post by sprokolopolis » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 9:46 AM UTC

I like the idea of this, but I wonder if it will have much impact on the worst offenders. The most frequent and annoying calls are almost always using spoofed numbers and many times originating from outside the country, like India. Is there any way that this law could be enforced...

1)on calls originating outside the state or country?

2) on calls over spoofed numbers?