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Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by Krasnol »

skrebbel wrote: post #35
mustuhfa wrote: post #2

Having worked closely with GSG for the last few years and done 2 trips there to mentor and host workshops, I would encourage anybody who has the time and interest in sharing their knowledge to reach out to them and help them. As the saying goes that constraint breeds creativity, I have never meet a more energetic, enthusiastic bunch of people who just want to make themselves useful and build something that they can b…

I could see myself doing this a few years from now. Does a Gaza stamp in your passport limit someone's entry into other countries? (eg USA)

In Germany you can have a second pass just for that purpose. It costs more though.

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by zimablue »

tariandbari wrote: post #18
padraic7a wrote: post #3

That's an incredible article. It must have taken some amazing mental gymnastics to talk about the situation in Gaza and Palestine without laying any responsibility at the feet of Israel. Instead the Israeli stance is noted as being the same as Egypt, or the same as the EU. Lets be clear, Israel's behaviour marks it out as an exception internationally. Israel has turned Gaza into an open air prison. Israel's blockade…

It takes some real unique ability to look at Gaza's map and missing the fact that it has a very long border with ... Egypt. So even if Gaza is an "open air prison" there is more than one guard to it.

But it's a false equivalence, because Gaza is part of the country of Israel not Egypt. This perspective would make sense if you had a two state solution but in the current perspective it makes absolutely no sense. It's like we put some region of France under lockdown and people were like "but that region borders Germany! The real villains are the Germans!" whilst France was refusing to grant the region either political independence or allow it to become part of Germany. It's that silly to mention Egypt.

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by amitport »

pjc50 wrote: post #32
yahoo234 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gaza is ¬1M people and has received tens of BN$ of aid. Israel has withdrawn all its forces from Gaza 10 years ago. At what stage do Gazan start behaving like responsible adults rather than blaming the Great Satan?

> withdrawn all its forces from Gaza 10 years ago That doesn't include airstrikes which are regular and ongoing: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/gaza-ai...

no contradiction there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incendiary_balloon#Gaza_Strip_...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Covenant#Violence_agains...

(just a few samples)

Israel withdrawn but there is still an ongoing (sometimes quiet) war.

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by lucideer »

skrebbel wrote: post #39
lucideer wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hamas is Israel's creation. Fatah were the dominant political force in Gaza over the decades and decades of oppression until Hamas were finally founded more recently as an attempt at firmer and less tolerant response to Israel.

Sure, but you didn't answer the question. Even if Hamas and even Gaza are totally Israel's fault, the fact that Hamas wants to destroy Israel makes some of Israel's actions pretty damn rational. What else can they do? "Shit, we pushed these Palestinians way too hard for way too long. Fair enough, they can bomb the shit out of our country now". All that said, I'm not invested in the matter, and I'm a geopolitics noob,…

Exactly. For all of Hamas' talk, it's not only reactive, it also results in a disproportionately small level of anti-Israel violence in practice due mostly to lack of resources (comparatively).

If Israel withdrew all restrictions unilaterally, would there be offensive actions by Hamas: almost certainly. But they'd likely be on a scale many orders of magnitude smaller than Israel's actions to date, and I doubt they'd be sustained.

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by mustuhfa »

skrebbel wrote: post #35
mustuhfa wrote: post #2

Having worked closely with GSG for the last few years and done 2 trips there to mentor and host workshops, I would encourage anybody who has the time and interest in sharing their knowledge to reach out to them and help them. As the saying goes that constraint breeds creativity, I have never meet a more energetic, enthusiastic bunch of people who just want to make themselves useful and build something that they can b…

I could see myself doing this a few years from now. Does a Gaza stamp in your passport limit someone's entry into other countries? (eg USA)

You do not get a stamp in your passport from either the Palestinian territories (including Gaza) or from Israel. You will get a piece of paper rather as your stamp which you need to keep with you and show upon exit. So no repercussions from entry.

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by amitport »

zimablue wrote: post #42
tariandbari wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It takes some real unique ability to look at Gaza's map and missing the fact that it has a very long border with ... Egypt. So even if Gaza is an "open air prison" there is more than one guard to it.

But it's a false equivalence, because Gaza is part of the country of Israel not Egypt. This perspective would make sense if you had a two state solution but in the current perspective it makes absolutely no sense. It's like we put some region of France under lockdown and people were like "but that region borders Germany! The real villains are the Germans!" whilst France was refusing to grant the region either politic…

That's just a bad analogy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Gaza

Gaza was part of Turkey (Ottoman) and was a part of Britain and was a part of Egypt and was a part of Israel and it is an independent region since 2005.

It's more like Belgium in your France Germany analogy. France has no control over the Belgium-German border.

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by [deleted] »

Vinnl wrote: post #16
jackthrow1 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be more precise. What kinda help they need? I aint got money, are they still enthusiatic about taking non-monetary help? Or is the help in such case simply reduced to "well contact them and ask them if they need anything" (in this case I can tell you their answer even without bothering to email them: "nah, we only need money bruh")? I assure you that I dont have nothing against Gaza and its inhabitants, what irritate…

I would assume the GP means "to mentor and host workshops".

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Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by [deleted] »

amitport wrote: post #40
badminton1 wrote: post #30

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The border with Egypt is walled. The wall also extends underground to prevent smuggling. The Gaza strip cannot be accessed by air or sea either.

Are you suggesting that the border with Egypt should allow smuggling? The point is that it is a border with Egypt, not Israel. Goods can (and do) enter from there.

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Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by mustuhfa »

jackthrow1 wrote: post #5
mustuhfa wrote: post #2

Having worked closely with GSG for the last few years and done 2 trips there to mentor and host workshops, I would encourage anybody who has the time and interest in sharing their knowledge to reach out to them and help them. As the saying goes that constraint breeds creativity, I have never meet a more energetic, enthusiastic bunch of people who just want to make themselves useful and build something that they can b…

Be more precise. What kinda help they need? I aint got money, are they still enthusiatic about taking non-monetary help? Or is the help in such case simply reduced to "well contact them and ask them if they need anything" (in this case I can tell you their answer even without bothering to email them: "nah, we only need money bruh")? I assure you that I dont have nothing against Gaza and its inhabitants, what irritate…

Mentors go there from all aspects. From engineering to marketing to design. I come from a technical background, and on the first instance I did a presentation but found that it was not as useful as I had hoped. But I noticed a lack of fundamental knowledge around concepts and tech that we use on a daily basis (e.g no monitoring and a lot of manual work being done). Second time I went, I held a 3 day continuous delivery workshop introducing them to concepts like CI, CD and testing. This enabled them to deploy a simple hellow world server through a pipeline with monitoring. The feedback was that the workshop was what they needed.

If you are interested to find out more, I would suggest that you reach out to them and ask them. They have a number of initiatives (e.g coding bootcamps) and its best to understand what they have coming up and where your skills could fit in. Money no doubt would help the GSG organisation but honestly, if you can, I would go there and help on the ground. They need technical mentors more than ever.

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by amitport »

tariandbari wrote: post #18
padraic7a wrote: post #3

That's an incredible article. It must have taken some amazing mental gymnastics to talk about the situation in Gaza and Palestine without laying any responsibility at the feet of Israel. Instead the Israeli stance is noted as being the same as Egypt, or the same as the EU. Lets be clear, Israel's behaviour marks it out as an exception internationally. Israel has turned Gaza into an open air prison. Israel's blockade…

It takes some real unique ability to look at Gaza's map and missing the fact that it has a very long border with ... Egypt. So even if Gaza is an "open air prison" there is more than one guard to it.

Why is this being down-voted? it is a correct and relevant statement.
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