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Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by tariandbari » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 10:20 AM UTC

Zofren wrote: post #11

jackthrow1 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sir, gently revoke thyself from this thread with your blatant antisemitism/antizionisn.

Not to lean either way, but it would be nice if it was possible to criticize Israel without it being conflated with antisemitism. Criticizing Saudi Arabia, for example, doesn't typically cause people to assume I'm criticizing Islam.

You can criticize Israel as much as you want. But what people so often do is to apply different morals to Israel and other countries. And that's is pure antisemitism.

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by bengrunfeld » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 10:22 AM UTC

padraic7a wrote: post #3

That's an incredible article. It must have taken some amazing mental gymnastics to talk about the situation in Gaza and Palestine without laying any responsibility at the feet of Israel. Instead the Israeli stance is noted as being the same as Egypt, or the same as the EU. Lets be clear, Israel's behaviour marks it out as an exception internationally. Israel has turned Gaza into an open air prison. Israel's blockade…

Notice how we're not actually discussing tech in Gaza, but rather how Israel needs to be sanctioned/destroyed/annihilated. That was the original intent of this article. "Tech in Gaza" was just clickbait, but nearly 50% of the article discussed the war with Israel. This was a CHEAP TRICK to stir up discussion about the war. Once again, the Palestinians who actually want to do something good have been turned into little puppets for someone else's political agenda. You should all be ashamed of yourselves for taking part in it!

UPDATE: Of the 5 pieces of non-text media in the article, 3 are not about tech at all, but rather about war and politics.

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by Synaesthesia » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 10:23 AM UTC

badminton1 wrote: post #8

Note that the article quickly turns political, and often the follow up political discussion is not welcome here on HN. It will take a lot of restraint for those kids to stay in development.

Of course it has to explain the circumstances and background for people who don’t know, and that necessarily will be a political discussion.

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by Vinnl » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 10:23 AM UTC

Gaza Sky Geeks looks like an excellent programme.

For European programmers who would like to help out with similar programmes, but perhaps not move to Gaza, be sure to check out Hack Your Future. It's currently located in the Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark and Sweden (with I think more locations coming up), and it's teaching programming courses to refugees in those countries.

I'm sure all of them could use more volunteer teachers. Teaching a group of motivated individuals and giving them a real shot at properly being part of society is an incredibly satisfying experience.

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by firic » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 10:24 AM UTC

sgift wrote: post #6

yahoo234 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gaza is ¬1M people and has received tens of BN$ of aid. Israel has withdrawn all its forces from Gaza 10 years ago. At what stage do Gazan start behaving like responsible adults rather than blaming the Great Satan?

Probably the moment the 'Great Satan' stops to control all flow of goods into and out of the Gaza. It's easy to say Israel has withdrawn when all they did was move a few kilometers further out.

What would you recommend Israel do when Hamas's charter literally says that they what to destroy Israel and the Jews? Hamas is Gaza's elected party and letting them import weapons is very bad for Israeli civilians.

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by Synaesthesia » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 10:24 AM UTC

yahoo234 wrote: post #4

padraic7a wrote: post #3

That's an incredible article. It must have taken some amazing mental gymnastics to talk about the situation in Gaza and Palestine without laying any responsibility at the feet of Israel. Instead the Israeli stance is noted as being the same as Egypt, or the same as the EU. Lets be clear, Israel's behaviour marks it out as an exception internationally. Israel has turned Gaza into an open air prison. Israel's blockade…

Gaza is ¬1M people and has received tens of BN$ of aid. Israel has withdrawn all its forces from Gaza 10 years ago. At what stage do Gazan start behaving like responsible adults rather than blaming the Great Satan?

Israel withdrew its forces to the border, but still intervened often. It controls the population register, who and what gets in and out including essential medicines and people who need urgen medical care. As noted it restricts access to much of the farmland and fishing areas. It’s for these reasons that many consider Gaza to still be occupied territory.

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by tariandbari » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 10:29 AM UTC

PlutoIsAPlanet wrote: post #9

jackthrow1 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sir, gently revoke thyself from this thread with your blatant antisemitism/antizionisn.

Why are you confusing antisemitism and antizionism? The poster is criticising the actions of a state, that's not anti-semitism in any way. He didn't even say anything about jews or judaism.

I don't know if the OP of this thread is part of the antizionism camp. I can only assert that he is an idiot (He looks at the map and cannot see the long border that is shared between Gaza and Egypt)

BUT antisemitism == antizionism as it simply design to strip Jews from their own homeland. Antizionism is not part of a global anti nationality movement that says "Let's abolish the 57 Islamic countries, the 21 Arab countries and this one Jewish state" its one and only goal is to deny from the Jews what many other have.

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by safgasCVS » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 10:33 AM UTC

yahoo234 wrote: post #4

padraic7a wrote: post #3

That's an incredible article. It must have taken some amazing mental gymnastics to talk about the situation in Gaza and Palestine without laying any responsibility at the feet of Israel. Instead the Israeli stance is noted as being the same as Egypt, or the same as the EU. Lets be clear, Israel's behaviour marks it out as an exception internationally. Israel has turned Gaza into an open air prison. Israel's blockade…

Gaza is ¬1M people and has received tens of BN$ of aid. Israel has withdrawn all its forces from Gaza 10 years ago. At what stage do Gazan start behaving like responsible adults rather than blaming the Great Satan?

So lets get this straight - the single variable that explains the situation of millions of people happens to be a subjective opinion of the moral failings of people you've never met. Nice!

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by sinaz » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 10:34 AM UTC

firic wrote: post #25

sgift wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably the moment the 'Great Satan' stops to control all flow of goods into and out of the Gaza. It's easy to say Israel has withdrawn when all they did was move a few kilometers further out.

What would you recommend Israel do when Hamas's charter literally says that they what to destroy Israel and the Jews? Hamas is Gaza's elected party and letting them import weapons is very bad for Israeli civilians.

The only solution for the Gaza-Israel crisis is mutual destruction.

Re: Gaza: Coding in a conflict zone

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Post by badminton1 » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 10:38 AM UTC

tariandbari wrote: post #18

padraic7a wrote: post #3

That's an incredible article. It must have taken some amazing mental gymnastics to talk about the situation in Gaza and Palestine without laying any responsibility at the feet of Israel. Instead the Israeli stance is noted as being the same as Egypt, or the same as the EU. Lets be clear, Israel's behaviour marks it out as an exception internationally. Israel has turned Gaza into an open air prison. Israel's blockade…

It takes some real unique ability to look at Gaza's map and missing the fact that it has a very long border with ... Egypt. So even if Gaza is an "open air prison" there is more than one guard to it.

The border with Egypt is walled. The wall also extends underground to prevent smuggling.

The Gaza strip cannot be accessed by air or sea either.