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Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by piyush_soni »

justinclift wrote: post #224
ggm wrote: post #85

One positive, is that the response was fast and direct. In the past, negative user feedback has tended to be buried, or felt like it, or ignored, or felt like it. This time, somebody decided the only clean path out was to be responsive: to make changes which reflected community concern and to tell people about them Which I think, is good. I vastly prefer the google which tells people it listened, to the one which say…

> ... is that the response was fast and direct. Communication about it seems to be. The actual code changes seem like they'll roll out in um... 3 or so months from now?

They clearly write in the blog that they'll make changes in Chrome 70 which will release in mid-october.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by theprotocol »

grey-area wrote: post #206
judge2020 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that change was merited because of the "signed into chrome vs google" issue they were trying to solve. Say I clear my cookies on a signed-in, syncing account. With G Cookies also deleted, I may wonder "Why is my picture in the top right but no Google services are using it??". To us, it's clear that chrome sign-in is different from google sign-in, but to others, it may not be.

So instead of putting in bizarre kludges in various parts of the UI fix the underlying issue - browser login should not be a prominent feature (it should be called sync bookmarks/history in settings somewhere), google logins should not be displayed in browser chrome and google websites should not get special treatment (either in cookies or login status). That’s why people are complaining - they see that google clearl…

> they see that google clearly wants to privilege their own sites

What happened to their very vocal concern over net neutrality from last year?

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by mycelium »

muizelaar wrote: post #118
ericabiz wrote: post #55

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Steps to reproduce: 1) Pick a rMBP. Any one. 2) Set display options - "more space" under System Preferences. 3) Run Firefox. Load any website. No extensions; safe mode doesn't matter. 4) 100%+ CPU, fans kick up and run high, system gets hot and slows to a crawl. Chrome and Safari run totally fine under the same conditions. It's documented pretty thoroughly in the first Bugzilla link I posted; the second one is an off…

1) I'm running a MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Mid 2015) 2) My display options are set to "more space" 3) I loaded this hackernews thread. 4) Firefox and it's child processes are using If I aggressively scroll this page I can push the cpu usage up. We have a variety of fixes in the pipeline that will help with this ( https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1429522 , https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1…

I build internal tools in my organization. Most of our developers are on MacOS and use Chrome day to day. Most of our users are on Windows. Whenever a browser specific issue comes up, we do our best to address it, but our first response is typically "go install Chrome". Chrome adoption is 97% internally, 2.5% Safari, and the remaining 0.5% is Edge. We have a 0% internal Firefox usage rate.

Draw from that what you may, but I bet that dynamic is happening in other places.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by DavideNL »

ggm wrote: post #85

One positive, is that the response was fast and direct. In the past, negative user feedback has tended to be buried, or felt like it, or ignored, or felt like it. This time, somebody decided the only clean path out was to be responsive: to make changes which reflected community concern and to tell people about them Which I think, is good. I vastly prefer the google which tells people it listened, to the one which say…

Well, in my opinion the only reason Google listens, is because people started uninstalling the Google Chrome browser, which means less profit.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by derefr »

kodablah wrote: post #189
statictype wrote: post #180

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The sync thing was overblown. The cookies thing was a bit more concerning to me. Not so much from a privacy angle but from more of a 'Chrome has lots its way' angle. A lot of our software's more complex interfaces are Chrome-first since its faster to develop - yesterday was the first time I made a serious consideration to change that approach. Glad to see they are listening to user feedback and reacting quickly.

> Glad to see they are listening to user feedback and reacting quickly. I consider an opt-out as paying lip service to the feedback. Clearly they feel the default is more important than the generated angst. Reaction clearly needs to be even stronger to affect real change. An opt-in (e.g. a dialog on next Google login from Chrome asking for feature enable) is a compromise, an opt-out is to appease the temporarily upse…

You seem to be looking at the choice of opt-in vs. opt-out from the perspective of a user who actually cares about the feature.

Much more common, though, I'd say, is the type of user who will accept whatever the default is, because they just don't care.

Compare: the organ-donor registry. When it's opt-in, most people don't opt in. When it's opt-out, most people don't opt out. Most people just don't care.

If you think something is good for people, you have to consider the large group of users who don't want to put in the time/energy to evaluate whether the thing is good for them, but just want the program to shut up and do what it does by default—whatever that is.

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Post by cyborgx7 »

ssutch3 wrote: post #226
seibelj wrote: post #16

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I did as well. DuckDuckGo, ublock origin, privacy badger. I haven’t used Firefox seriously in 5 years or so and I’m very pleased with the experience. To be honest, it’s best to use an independent company for your internet browser. Google’s incentives and business model no longer matches web browsing for someone who cares about privacy.

Did it ever?

I'm the last person to defend google, but in the beginning a reasonable argument could be made that what they wanted was better performance of javascript and website rendering in general. Microsoft, Mozilla and Apple were the only engine developers in town. Two were the default on their OSs and Mozilla was the choice of those who made a choice. So there was no real incentive to compete on performance.

Chrome was introduced by Google with the idea of improving performance of webbrowsers in general so they could do more with web-apps. That did seem somewhat reasonable at the time.

But since Chrome became the market leader, the incentives have changed.

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Post by NewRapGods2 »

tptacek wrote: post #2

Like Eric Law[1], I felt like while there were some rough spots in the UX for the Chrome login and sync features, the issue was very overblown (I'd feel very differently if sync had been enabled automatically). I don't have much more to say than Law does --- except maybe that when your arch-competitor is speaking out on your behalf , maybe the narrative has gone a little haywire. I figured Google would do something c…

You're overblown ;-)

G is eroding privacy every day, every release. They try to do it in small steps, as to allow the gsheeple to claim "overblown".

Wait a few months and sync will be automatically enabled.

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Post by reitanqild »

statictype wrote: post #248
theon144 wrote: post #234

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>A lot of our software's more complex interfaces are Chrome-first since its faster to develop - yesterday was the first time I made a serious consideration to change that approach. Heh, I wonder if the next privacy blunder from Google will make you further reconsider your "voluntary vendor lock-in" approach :)

I said Chrome-first. Not Chrome-only.

I'd still ask to consider a Firefox first policy.

I've been using Firefox as my main dev browser for years and it has a huge, practical advantage:

- Usually it Just Works in every mainstream browser (had one single case in the last year where it broke in another browser).

My colleagues who use Chrome has to fix QA bugs more often than me it seems ;-)

Bonus: Support a good cause (cross browser compability)

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by cyborgx7 »

kettlecorn wrote: post #23

Everyone seems to be arguing the utilitarian merit of this feature, but I just don't like what it signals for Google's approach to the web. They're building in features that integrate their browser into their web pages. As far as I'm aware no other major browser holder has done anything of that sort, but I'm probably missing some examples.

Google is kind of a special case in that they are the developer of the biggest web browser and the developer of the biggest web-apps. The integration between the two becomes somewhat inevitable at that point. Eventhough I too very much disagree with it.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by sjwright »

millstone wrote: post #204
colordrops wrote: post #133

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The endless corporate loop is natural. Everything in this universe is on an endless loop and nothing lasts forever. Just get used to change and use whatever is legit at the moment.

Don't endless loops last forever by definition?

I think it's more fair to say that endless loops would last forever given the chance but can be (and inevitably are) aborted by external forces.

That's true of any endless loop or endless cycle—they could all be aborted by a sufficiently large asteroid.

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