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Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by LeonM »

ericabiz wrote: post #22
ben174 wrote: post #9

I have no doubt this is a direct result of the feedback in the hacker news thread. Googlers read our comments and take them seriously when there is true merit. Keep making noise folks, it matters.

Agreed. Now: does Mozilla read these? I tried to switch to Firefox, but was stymied by a bug where Firefox consumes 100%+ CPU on MacBook Pro Retinas. Firefox is basically unusable with this bug; Facebook takes forever to load, and even Reddit r/firefox shows "A webpage is slowing down your browser" bar at the top. Active relevant bugs are here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1404042 https://bugzilla.moz…

With my 2012 rMBP (first gen retina, with nVidia GT 650M) I cannot play video on various websites using Firefox since about a year or two. Did an OS reinstall, switched to nVidia native drivers, nothing helps. It plays the first second of video, then freezes, audio does continue. Youtube does work, but performance is poor.

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Post by [deleted] »

justinclift wrote: post #224
ggm wrote: post #85

One positive, is that the response was fast and direct. In the past, negative user feedback has tended to be buried, or felt like it, or ignored, or felt like it. This time, somebody decided the only clean path out was to be responsive: to make changes which reflected community concern and to tell people about them Which I think, is good. I vastly prefer the google which tells people it listened, to the one which say…

> ... is that the response was fast and direct. Communication about it seems to be. The actual code changes seem like they'll roll out in um... 3 or so months from now?

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Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by mycelium »

ericabiz wrote: post #102
mycelium wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I spent a few minutes trying to replicate on a MacBook Pro (Retina, 13-inch, Late 2013) with Firefox 62.0.2 and could not replicate, browsing a number of resource intense sites.

Interesting, as this is the same MBP I have, and same Firefox version. I now have a perf file showing the issue. Can't upload it (it gives an error), but would be happy to send it to anyone who thinks they can help.

I'm on Mac OS 10.11.6 (15G22010). The regression might be due to some interaction between Firefox and changes in the OS, if you're on a more recent version.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by snaky »

ascorbic wrote: post #222
lern_too_spel wrote: post #159

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> Try being a cell phone OEM who wants to use Android but without Google integration. Impossible. Tell that to Vivo, Oppo, Honor, Huawei, Xiaomi, Meizu, OnePlus, Lenovo, Qiku, Smartisan, Amazon, etc.

OK, try being and OEM who wants to use Android but without Google integration in a country where Google is legal . I think Amazon backs up that point, not yours.

Google is legal in Russia, and there is a rumour Yandex is going to launch Android smartphone in a month or so. And the store.yandex.com is up.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by zavi »

danShumway wrote: post #30

Unfortunately, Chrome 70 is also when `www` subdomain is slated to get re-hidden, and when web audio breaking changes are slated to get re-introduced. There's just too much to keep up with at this point. I'm happy about this change, it's a big move in the right direction. But it doesn't give me any confidence for the future. It's crazy that users have to do this every single release. It can't continue like this. I ha…

It's not targeted to technical communities. Chrome's market share is 50% and growing. It became successful in the first place because it's fast and simple. It's clearly targeted to average Joe by design, not programmers.

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Post by cpeterso »

pilif wrote: post #232
statictype wrote: post #180

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The sync thing was overblown. The cookies thing was a bit more concerning to me. Not so much from a privacy angle but from more of a 'Chrome has lots its way' angle. A lot of our software's more complex interfaces are Chrome-first since its faster to develop - yesterday was the first time I made a serious consideration to change that approach. Glad to see they are listening to user feedback and reacting quickly.

The cookies thing could be seen as a bug: the button does remove the cookies, but because your google sign in state is now tied to the browser sign in state, new cookies will immediately be set. To fix this, the “remove cookies” button would also have to sign you out of chrome which would also feel weird from a UX perspective. All in all I think this was just released a bit early before all UX edge cases could be tac…

If exempting Google's cookies from being cleared was a bug, they would not have added a message in the UI that "you won't be signed out of your Google Account":

https://twitter.com/ctavan/status/1044282084020441088

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by statictype »

theon144 wrote: post #234
statictype wrote: post #180

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The sync thing was overblown. The cookies thing was a bit more concerning to me. Not so much from a privacy angle but from more of a 'Chrome has lots its way' angle. A lot of our software's more complex interfaces are Chrome-first since its faster to develop - yesterday was the first time I made a serious consideration to change that approach. Glad to see they are listening to user feedback and reacting quickly.

>A lot of our software's more complex interfaces are Chrome-first since its faster to develop - yesterday was the first time I made a serious consideration to change that approach. Heh, I wonder if the next privacy blunder from Google will make you further reconsider your "voluntary vendor lock-in" approach :)

I said Chrome-first. Not Chrome-only.

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Post by tannhaeuser »

snaky wrote: post #155
ajmurmann wrote: post #132

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How can an advertisement not be bad? Ultimately it's always the goal to get someone to buy something they otherwise wouldn't. Even if you catch someone when they are already are looking to buy a product from your category you are trying to get them to buy your product instead of the competitor's. What would be helpful to the user in that moment is a product comparison that's honest and unbiased and not an advertiseme…

It depends on how useful the advertising is. It's not the tracking or privacy the regular user is most concerned about, it's the everyday experience that tells him advertising is still stupid and annoying. Despite all the billion dollars ML systems with gazillion of factors analyzed on petabytes of data, all we've got is 'hey, you googled for a 10uA accuracy bench multimeter yesterday! now for two weeks we will show…

For me, privacy and tracking is the problem. I have nothing against ads per se. I guess we should work on meaningful stats for ad billing that doesn't involve tracking to go back to content-based rather than targetted ads.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by Lio »

ken wrote: post #214
School-Cotton wrote: post #76

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A Google representative has claimed on the domain hiding bug report that the change is shelved due to the feedback. Edit: Permalink to the relevant comment: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=883038...

Yes, I think that's exactly what danShumway meant by "users have to do this every single release", i.e., give feedback about a big upcoming change that should never have been made in the first place. One week it's the domain hiding, another week it's cookie clearing. Who knows what Google is planning to change next time? It's not sustainable for us to go reactive every month. There's an awfully big disconnect if the…

I feel this attitude of “just do it and see if enough people complain” is inherent in these big web companies.

Just look at how they do product naming. How many times have we seen Google or Facebook launch projects with the same name as an existing project and just use their size to steamroll over refernce to the existing work?

E.g. the Go programming language or Facebook’s Flow checker for starters.

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