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Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by NeedMoreTea »

snaky wrote: post #137
fermienrico wrote: post #109

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Google has invested billions into search and it is nearly impossible for a small startup to invade the search business. For example, imagine a company that allows you to search the internet without ads but charging say $2.99/month fee to use it. Even if I am willing to pay, the search accuracy and ability for a small company to compete with google is nearly impossible. So here we are. Perhaps I’ll switch to DuckDuckG…

Microsoft has invested billions into Internet Explorer and it is nearly impossible for a small startup to invade the browser business. IE Firefox 2009 Q4 66.42% 21.13% 2003 Q2 94.43% 2.22% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#Th...

That did rather depend on Netscape creating and open sourcing the first versions of Phoenix in 2002.

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Post by School-Cotton »

danShumway wrote: post #116
School-Cotton wrote: post #76

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A Google representative has claimed on the domain hiding bug report that the change is shelved due to the feedback. Edit: Permalink to the relevant comment: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=883038...

Has it been shelved from Chrome 70? The last that I heard, it was temporarily removed in Chrome 69, and `www` would be reintroduced in 70. Unless things have changed again since then, `m` was the only change that was actually shelved.

See my edit. They have confirmed it is not going live in 70.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway8879 wrote: post #148
ajmurmann wrote: post #132

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How can an advertisement not be bad? Ultimately it's always the goal to get someone to buy something they otherwise wouldn't. Even if you catch someone when they are already are looking to buy a product from your category you are trying to get them to buy your product instead of the competitor's. What would be helpful to the user in that moment is a product comparison that's honest and unbiased and not an advertiseme…

What exactly do you mean by "bad" here? If you're making a moral or value judgement about ads being bad, then I don't know how to respond to that. Animals of all types are evolved to acquire resources, at any cost. And humans have taken the social aspect of resource acquisition to an extreme level. I'm not a big fan of ads either, but people do what they do. And making moral or value judgements about primate behavior…

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Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by WoodenChair »

sooheon wrote: post #119
fermienrico wrote: post #110

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At this rate, the poor are better off without tv, radio and magazines. They’re largely just an entry portal into psychological extortion by these advertising firms. I’m a huge fan of publicly funded media such as NPR and your local public radio station.

I'm also a fan of patronizing the media you enjoy. Content makers having a direct relationship with their consumers.

Choosing to watch ads is a way of patronizing the media you enjoy.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by snaky »

Gustomaximus wrote: post #98
artursapek wrote: post #86

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It's obviously a "share via email" button, not a "email the senior product managers in charge of Chrome!" button.

That makes sense. Side point - the comment "email the senior product managers in charge of Chrome!" feels aggressive. It could be an email to a generic address where they sift feedback. That's hardly an unused option on the web. Is my comment here unfair? While 100% you are correct in the point, I feel polite discourse on HN is the aspiration.

Microsoft has UserVoice at least.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by [deleted] »

snaky wrote: post #137
fermienrico wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google has invested billions into search and it is nearly impossible for a small startup to invade the search business. For example, imagine a company that allows you to search the internet without ads but charging say $2.99/month fee to use it. Even if I am willing to pay, the search accuracy and ability for a small company to compete with google is nearly impossible. So here we are. Perhaps I’ll switch to DuckDuckG…

Microsoft has invested billions into Internet Explorer and it is nearly impossible for a small startup to invade the browser business. IE Firefox 2009 Q4 66.42% 21.13% 2003 Q2 94.43% 2.22% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#Th...

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Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by ajmurmann »

throwaway8879 wrote: post #148
ajmurmann wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can an advertisement not be bad? Ultimately it's always the goal to get someone to buy something they otherwise wouldn't. Even if you catch someone when they are already are looking to buy a product from your category you are trying to get them to buy your product instead of the competitor's. What would be helpful to the user in that moment is a product comparison that's honest and unbiased and not an advertiseme…

What exactly do you mean by "bad" here? If you're making a moral or value judgement about ads being bad, then I don't know how to respond to that. Animals of all types are evolved to acquire resources, at any cost. And humans have taken the social aspect of resource acquisition to an extreme level. I'm not a big fan of ads either, but people do what they do. And making moral or value judgements about primate behavior…

I mainly copied the "bad" wording from the parent comment. However, I think my last sentence wraps it up best for me: "The goals of the advertiser and the consumer are inherently at odds".

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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tptacek wrote: post #2

Like Eric Law[1], I felt like while there were some rough spots in the UX for the Chrome login and sync features, the issue was very overblown (I'd feel very differently if sync had been enabled automatically). I don't have much more to say than Law does --- except maybe that when your arch-competitor is speaking out on your behalf , maybe the narrative has gone a little haywire. I figured Google would do something c…

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Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by gpm »

muizelaar wrote: post #118
ericabiz wrote: post #55

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Steps to reproduce: 1) Pick a rMBP. Any one. 2) Set display options - "more space" under System Preferences. 3) Run Firefox. Load any website. No extensions; safe mode doesn't matter. 4) 100%+ CPU, fans kick up and run high, system gets hot and slows to a crawl. Chrome and Safari run totally fine under the same conditions. It's documented pretty thoroughly in the first Bugzilla link I posted; the second one is an off…

1) I'm running a MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Mid 2015) 2) My display options are set to "more space" 3) I loaded this hackernews thread. 4) Firefox and it's child processes are using If I aggressively scroll this page I can push the cpu usage up. We have a variety of fixes in the pipeline that will help with this ( https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1429522 , https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1…

4.7% of your users, but what percentage of web developers?

If that second number is substantially higher (and I personally suspect it is, but I don't have data backing that up) I think it would be very reasonable for Mozilla to prioritize MacOS. Getting web developers to use firefox makes firefox work better for everyone because it makes more sites work well with firefox.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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Post by greglindahl »

snaky wrote: post #158
olliej wrote: post #145

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Firefox and Mozilla were not a small startup - they had (comparatively) boatloads of money (now they have even more) and a huge number of free developers :)

> and a huge number of free developers Why do you think the search engine is unable to build a model leveraging a huge number of free developers?

Well, for one thing, search is a tightly-coupled problem that revolves around a big and expensive data store. That's quite different from a browser.

Blekko did get volunteers to help edit our slashtags, and duckduckgo used to have volunteers help out with their duckduckhacks.

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