Yesterday I started moving to FastMail, today switched to Firefox, what tomorrow will bring? Btw, can someone recommend a good alternative to Google Maps API?
I've been using Mapbox for maps and their geocoding api.
Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies
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Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies
#672Another confirmation that engineers and product developers are no longer in control at Google. Engineering and product first is how Google won the game initially, very easy to forget that when the money rolls in massively and the power structures move away from those driving forces. Microsoft already went through this engineering/product growth to bizdev/marketing control to stagnation and is already in the return to…
I assume this is the engineering at work. "Okay, users are confused by how they're logged into Google but not Chrome, or Chrome but not Google - let's make them one and the same". "Okay, but once you're logged into Chrome now, every post we check to see if we have the Google cookies to keep that sync... so that means when you clear the cookies the Google ones will automagically reappear" "Ugh, let's just notify the u…
Maybe for something small? But also an “engineer at work” might stand up for not doing the lazy thing on principle.
Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies
#673Earlier quoted context omitted.
I assume this is the engineering at work. "Okay, users are confused by how they're logged into Google but not Chrome, or Chrome but not Google - let's make them one and the same". "Okay, but once you're logged into Chrome now, every post we check to see if we have the Google cookies to keep that sync... so that means when you clear the cookies the Google ones will automagically reappear" "Ugh, let's just notify the u…
Everybody at Google, for anything they do, should ask a simple question on any proposal ... how does this impact user privacy for those that care? Given Google's size and power it's irresponsible for them to not do so. And given that there are really smart people working for Google, including a whole department working on analyzing the threats and preserving user privacy, I won't believe for a second that nobody thou…
> how does this impact user privacy for those that care?
Can you answer this for me?
Given the scenario - when you clear cookies all cookies are cleared but new cookies for google services are set again, what is the privacy concern for end users?
Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies
#674Earlier quoted context omitted.
That feels like whitewashing part of the blame that applies to engineers and product developers. We don't get to say "oh it's those pesky money people, how dare they", while drawing a salary from the same pockets.
Engineers losing control to money types and bureaucrats is a gradual process. It is not that one day Google strikes out the second word from its unofficial motto ("do not be evil"). Engineers might dislike each small step in that direction, but it is not enough to make them pack up and move (house, family, kids, etc.). Pretty quickly they are tamed by both money people and the bureaucrats -- still appreciated and pai…
Didn’t they literally strike that word out from their motto overnight. I believe I recall them removing it from the handbook but I’m not sure.
Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies
#675Earlier quoted context omitted.
Abusing users isn't OK just because they've found additional ways to extract money from users. Disclaimer: I was a Google fanboy until a few years ago and I disliked but trusted Google until a couple of weeks ago. Now I don't know what to do but at least I've finally got around to switching my search habits.
Oh I agree, absolutely not. I'm against Google and don't use their software. I just thought that the parent comment wasn't very accurate as it characterized Apple as selling apps and media and Google as doing neither of those things.
I think it's more like:
Apple: We sell you device/app for $X
Google: We sell you device/app for $X-Y, but we make our $Y back by selling you ad data
Huawei: Hold me beer.
Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies
#676Earlier quoted context omitted.
Bing is nowhere near "(Just as good as G)". If it was, a lot more people would have already switched. As of now, it's surprisingly behind Google in almost all but the most basic searches.
I think people are just used to a certain page, just like they are/were used to their favorite local news station. I doubt most people periodically run tests to see which search engines return the most relevant results for them. Plus, people know that google search is the best, so why use something else? The problem is that they seem to "know" in the same sense that they know Kleenex are the best tissues; its all mar…
Some people might do that (not care enough to try). That's not what I mean specifically. I did go back and I did try, again and again. Bing just misses so much of the context of each query, does not understand to switch context based on some specific keyword like "ubuntu"vs"linux", etc. etc. It does not understand my half-articulated searches, - in which Google just shines because it thinks the rest of the thought for me and gets the result I really want and am looking for, usually on the first page of results.
This is not about liking the visual style of the webpage(google vs bing) or how it looks. This is about quality of results and me saving time.
This is not about me being lazy not doing "good search queries". If I can search google and get a result in 5 seconds, why would I spend 1 minute figuring out the best way to phrase something, then 3 more minutes trying different things that Bing would understand? I know there is enough information in my search, because Google understands it. Why should I add more words to it (and sometimes operators) for Bing to get it? Why should I waste my time for no reason? This does not hinder my thinking ability. It's just that Google is so good that it knows what I am thinking before I am completely done with formulating the thought. Damn, sometimes I am on a wikipedia page, I stumble upon a 4-word term unknown to me in that page, I start typing it and Google knows after 2 letters, it shows the whole complete term as a suggestion! And this happens with terms starting with very common words, so it's very likely that google just knows that most people google that exact thing after going to the Wikipedia page (since google sends me to wikipedia page from the beginning). When Bing will do these little things to aid my work, I will gladly switch.
I did try, and I do wish that Bing will get better. Right now it is simply not.
(Yes, I know there are privacy implications, and those suck. But we were talking about quality of searching...)
Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies
#677Earlier quoted context omitted.
I assume this is the engineering at work. "Okay, users are confused by how they're logged into Google but not Chrome, or Chrome but not Google - let's make them one and the same". "Okay, but once you're logged into Chrome now, every post we check to see if we have the Google cookies to keep that sync... so that means when you clear the cookies the Google ones will automagically reappear" "Ugh, let's just notify the u…
Everybody at Google, for anything they do, should ask a simple question on any proposal ... how does this impact user privacy for those that care? Given Google's size and power it's irresponsible for them to not do so. And given that there are really smart people working for Google, including a whole department working on analyzing the threats and preserving user privacy, I won't believe for a second that nobody thou…
This idealism reminds me of a post I saw here a long time ago about a software developer union. One of their stated goals was "to advocate for people whose job was displaced by automation".
Both read to me immediately like high octane, weapons grade, 200 proof naiveté.
"Everyone at UPS, for anything they do, should ask a simple question on any proposal ... how does this impact bicycle couriers?"
"Everyone at Amazon, for anything they do, should ask a simple quesiton on any proposal ... how does this impact local mom and pop general stores?"
The organization you're talking about is diametrically configured to oppose the thing you're saying they should be mindful of. I just don't even know how it's a thing you can imagine is possible in this world.
This comment reads to me like someone saying. "When anyone in the world is about to shoot another person, they should stop.. think about what they're doing and then _not_ shoot them. This would reduce the number of shootings dramatically."
I uh.. atleast to some degree agree with all the above things.. despite that, there's a whole axis of maximum confused exasperation I feel reading about them.
Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies
#678Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Do you just say "fuck it", and quit, ignoring all your responsibilities? Over cookies? If you follow the news about Google at all, you'd know its obviously not just about cookies. >Of course, when its not about cookies, but about something more drastic It's about the the greatest surveillance apparatus in history encroaching towards total informational awareness.
for the individual developer getting asked to implement this, it is over cookies. The decision is "Do I implement this, or do I tell my kids I dont know how to feed them"
>for the individual developer getting asked to implement this, it is over cookies
No, cookies would be the straw that broke the camel's back. The context you're ignoring the the countless other straws beneath it.
>The decision is "Do I implement this, or do I tell my kids I dont know how to feed them"
False dichotomy
Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies
#679Earlier quoted context omitted.
Everybody at Google, for anything they do, should ask a simple question on any proposal ... how does this impact user privacy for those that care? Given Google's size and power it's irresponsible for them to not do so. And given that there are really smart people working for Google, including a whole department working on analyzing the threats and preserving user privacy, I won't believe for a second that nobody thou…
This idealism reminds me of a post I saw here a long time ago about a software developer union. One of their stated goals was "to advocate for people whose job was displaced by automation". Both read to me immediately like high octane, weapons grade, 200 proof naiveté. "Everyone at UPS, for anything they do, should ask a simple question on any proposal ... how does this impact bicycle couriers?" "Everyone at Amazon,…
> The organization you're talking about is diametrically configured to oppose the thing you're saying they should be mindful of
True. That's precisely why engineering ethics is our last hope.
Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies
#680Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can't disable it installing new extensions behind your back without telling you, though. These are "system extensions" and you can't opt out of them.
System extensions are not really extensions, they're just parts of built-in browser functionality that have been implemented by programmers with good code hygiene. It's unfair to describe these as "installing random extensions without asking" because you would then have to admit that it's equally true of every new feature of every software program that is ever updated.
I don't think it's unfair; I can disable automatic software updates. I can't disable Firefox installing secret extensions behind my back.