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Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by zwkrt »

Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #274
ux-app wrote: post #62

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Dropping chrome is not enough. Switch to bing (Just as good as G), or ddg if you really want. Then ditch android which is the spy in your pocket. If you're installing G analytics for clients then choose an alternative (I'm open to suggestions here). It's really time to disentangle ourselves from google. They've quietly and effectively insinuated themselves across the web. Enough is enough.

Bing is nowhere near "(Just as good as G)". If it was, a lot more people would have already switched. As of now, it's surprisingly behind Google in almost all but the most basic searches.

I think people are just used to a certain page, just like they are/were used to their favorite local news station. I doubt most people periodically run tests to see which search engines return the most relevant results for them.

Plus, people know that google search is the best, so why use something else? The problem is that they seem to "know" in the same sense that they know Kleenex are the best tissues; its all marketing.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by n42 »

Navarr wrote: post #315

Why are we assuming maliciousness? My best guess that Chrome works this way would be due to combining the sign-in cookies with the general cookies of the browser (e.g. 1 cookie store instead of 2). So when you log in to Google, you log in to Chrome - and vice versa. For non-technical users this is a convenience feature, though for many it does come with privacy concerns. Judging by the comments re cookie clearing, th…

It is either malicious, or it is negligent. Either way it erodes trust significantly. Given the trend of changes in Chrome lately, if your alarm bells aren’t ringing yet, you are probably not paying attention.

I have switched to Firefox and have used this as an opportunity to begin my transition away from GMail.

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Post by yoran »

NeedMoreTea wrote: post #4

Are they trying to promote Firefox or something? Chrome seems to be trying quite hard to annoy people enough to actually uninstall it.

Unfortunately, the average user (I'm picturing my mom) doesn't give two shits about Chrome not deleting Google cookies when clearing data.

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Post by sjapkee »

teddyh wrote: post #235
_jcwu wrote: post #221

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The firefox that keeps doing experiements and jokes on their users by installing random extensions without asking? Until some weeks ago I was less unhappy with Google Chrome than with firefox, but now I am kind of almost equal unhappy with both...

IIRC, Firefox did that once , and then apologized. Unlike Google, who keeps doing the same thing all the time.

>Firefox did that once

At least twice. https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/16/firefox-mr-robot-extensi... https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/9ii8sj/firefox_kee...

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Post by beavis2 »

askmike wrote: post #225
beavis2 wrote: post #218

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> talk about moving away It's just that. All talk. Including the usual empty threats of "don't piss of the technical people". Meanwhile, they're still logging into Facebook using Chrome on their Windows machines.

I also believe most of these topics are just talk. But the point I was making is that whenever someone talks about "I'm leaving Mac for whatever reason" it blows up and everyone and their mom weighs in to give their opinion. It's not uncommon to have these on the frontpage. Why? Because most people use Mac so they have something to say. However when someone says "I am moving away from windows because of X" it never h…

> What about you? You think the opposite?

I mostly agree with everything you said.

But I speculate, a good collection of today's "chrome leavers" here already use another browser - and are just adding fuel to the fire.

Or, they're not actually leaving chrome - just threatening, because they care.

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Post by marcosdumay »

braythwayt wrote: post #239
braythwayt wrote: post #224

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Yes. That’s how values work. You VALUE them, meaning—objectively—you are willing to make some sacrifice for them. Same goes for working for a predatory financial institution, a manufacturer who makes dangerous products, or for that matter, a company with a toxic culture. How is this different from working for a tobacco company? Decades ago we had the same conversation about people who ”were just following orders.” If…

One more thing (apologies): If you take the engineer off the hook because “they can’t change things,” you know what inevitably happens? You discover that the product and eng managers can’t change things either. In theory, maybe, but in practice they are given accountability for revenue and growth targets, so what choice do they have? Let’s move up the ladder. Can we blame the directors and ELT. No, the markets hold t…

To be fair, the OP was complaining about short-term biases from management. The entire ethical discussion is pushed way over its actual relevance (really, how big an ethical flaw is not deleting a cookie? Google will identify you anyway, cookie or not).

That said, about this:

> and now you understand how SYSTEMIC problems persist: Nobody is held personally accountable

It looks completely backwards. Environments that fix systemic problems are overwhelmingly on the side of not blaming individuals and looking only at the system. You are probably thinking about goal misalignment problems, and yet, just going after the individuals is still counterproductive if the system won't support the ones that do the right thing.

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Post by braythwayt »

wruza wrote: post #326
braythwayt wrote: post #239

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One more thing (apologies): If you take the engineer off the hook because “they can’t change things,” you know what inevitably happens? You discover that the product and eng managers can’t change things either. In theory, maybe, but in practice they are given accountability for revenue and growth targets, so what choice do they have? Let’s move up the ladder. Can we blame the directors and ELT. No, the markets hold t…

Putting yourself in a weaker position due to your views doesn't scale and thus doesn't work. For one hero there are ten conformists at the same level of skill, waiting for him/her to leave. While it's brave, it is also pointless. The problem as you state it can be solved only by explicit consensus, being it a law or just a manifesto. Modern privacy has no professional and power-y organization under it, except for few…

If your argument is that they can do more good by staying, fine. I say the exact same thing about staying in Ontario despite the recent election of a wannabe Trump populist.

But if you say, “Ontario made this stupid decision,” I can’t tell you, “I didn’t vote for this, I can’t change it, I’m not responsible.”

I have to tell you, “It sucks, and as a citizen I bear some of the responsibility, and here’s what I’m doing in the hopes of fixing it.”

My only argument is that people who stay have some accountability. Accountability doesn’t mean they are automatically bad people, but it does mean we can ask them, “What are you doing about it?” And they don’t get to shrug and say, “Nothing I can do, so my conscience is clear.”

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Post by n42 »

dhimes wrote: post #321

I wonder if it's still going to wipe out my password storage...

1Password now has a browser extension that runs the entire application in browser, which means you can use a dedicated password manager across all operating systems with a proper security model. Check out the 1Password X extension.

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Post by adamwathan »

Sharlin wrote: post #109
jhasse wrote: post #40

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It shows just how much better Chrome is on every other aspect.

There are really very few things Chrome is better at than Firefox these days.

Displaying colors properly on wide gamut displays is one. Can't use Firefox because of it — I can't design in the browser if it renders everything wrong on my iMac.

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Post by O_H_E »

adrianN wrote: post #236
sbr464 wrote: post #208

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From a monetization perspective, why not just charge $99 for chrome vs charging $0.00005 * x-thousand and being seedy via ads? Not going to pay now, since trust is blown, but here’s to anyone in the future.

Because nobody pays for software but most people don't care about privacy.

> Because nobody pays for software I find this really annoying and silly. People spend money on many other useless stuff, but not software. We have reached a point were software and internet services is expected to be free.
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