probably not a popular opinion but I think the best way to reduce your carbon foot print is not to have children
True, but taking your argument to it's logical extreme suicide would work even better.
its logical ...
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No, it's successfully and continuously convincing others to suicide by any means necessary. And it's not the logical extension by the way. Not creating is not the same as destroying.
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Nice to see in these post-trump, post-brexit, rise-of-the-right days, that Godwin's Law still applies. It's prevalence had been questionable of late.
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#14probably not a popular opinion but I think the best way to reduce your carbon foot print is not to have children
I don't know if that works for reducing your carbon footprint. Children don't add to your personal carbon footprint. They're individuals on their own.
You'd never consider yourself to be part of your parents carbon footprint, in need of "reduction", would you?
In a global sense, sure less population means less carbon footprint, but that isn't the end-goal of civilization. To me, the end goal of civilization is life---human life in all its myriad ways, and to its utmost fulfilment. An earth without humans is a poorer earth.
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#15probably not a popular opinion but I think the best way to reduce your carbon foot print is not to have children
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#16probably not a popular opinion but I think the best way to reduce your carbon foot print is not to have children
As humans we have reached a point where if we collectively decided to have fewer kids, whole social fabrics will collapse.
Everyone's social security hinges of having just as many people contributing to it today. China had to rid it's one child policy, and Japan is facing a similar problem. How do you support twice as many old people with only half as many working young folk.
I'm migration may be the answer, but if the rise of "nationalist" movements around the world is any indication. Then natives don't quite want immigrants to be that solution.
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#18probably not a popular opinion but I think the best way to reduce your carbon foot print is not to have children
Probably true.
But that does not rule out other methods of reduction as well.
A vegan having no children has a smaller footprint than a carbivore having no children.
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#19They make 75 tonnes of meat per year on 3500 acre.
Unless I am missing something, this is really not helping the world. This would amount to something like 0.05 million calories/acre/year.
If I compare that to others (http://www.waldeneffect.org/blog/Calories_per_acre_for_vario...) this doesn't seem like a realistic way to feed the global population.
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#20probably not a popular opinion but I think the best way to reduce your carbon foot print is not to have children
I don't particularly care about the planet, but I agree with you. What irks me more is that there is an element of consent involved with birth. Life is mostly suffering and struggle for the majority, and it is a mean thing to bring someone into existence and have them deal with the meaninglessness and misery that is existence, all by themselves so. And what happens when they can't cope, or they don't follow the rules…
Friend, I recognize this thought pattern because it's one that I've had before. While I didn't recognize it at the time I was in a deep state of depression, on the verge of committing suicide, thinking that maybe I wouldn't feel tired or defeated anymore.
I'd seriously consider seeking out a psychologist, they are really good. There's so much light out there in the world.