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Zoho.com CEO says domain with 40M users suspended for abuse complaint

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Re: Zoho.com CEO says domain with 40M users suspended for abuse complaint

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I agree this is unacceptable. We are figuring out ways to make this more resilient - we host third-party domain mails, and we could map those domains directly without involving our domain. That could be one solution. We have learned a serious lesson here.

Steal GitLab's business model and let people/companies self-host their own Zoho.

Nothing about self-hosted licensed software is unique to Gitlab, it's been a standard business model since the software industry started decades ago.

Re: Zoho.com CEO says domain with 40M users suspended for abuse complaint

#202
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They're a reseller like everyone else. If I'm not mistaken they actually use eNom for customers buying domains on any of their platforms (though not for their own domains).

Doesn't seem to be true, for my domain registered at Google: Registrar: Google Inc. Registrar IANA ID: 895 Registrar Abuse Contact Email: registrar-abuse@google.com Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.8772376466 Verify yourself at: https://www.iana.org/assignments/registrar-ids/registrar-ids... Zoho is Zoho Corporation Private Limited IANA ID: 3803

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Re: Zoho.com CEO says domain with 40M users suspended for abuse complaint

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I've been very happy with MarkMonitor. They have good customer service, a good reputation, and best of all, they auto-renew domains and send an invoice. That means that the failure mode is "domain is renewed, I owe them a check." If your domains are riding on a credit card, you potentially have a failure mode of "card was declined, my domain did not renew, everything is down."

How much does markmonitor cost ? There is no pricing anywhere.

Back in 2014 they wanted a $10k/yr minimum.

Re: Zoho.com CEO says domain with 40M users suspended for abuse complaint

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You would be surprised how prevalent these problems are even with supposedly reputable registrars. A commonly recommend option here in HN was NameCheap. Earlier this year without any notice they modified our DNS servers completely taking down our SaaS product. Why? Some migration script run incorrectly. They offered me a random TLD for free for one year as compensation! I declined.

For me Namecheap just dumped all of my personal account information to some random lawyer who wasn't even suing me, but someone else. And a lot of the information they released wasn't even within the date range specified in the subpoena!

Don't you think it's enough? You've told this story now five or six times in this single thread. Please stop.

Re: Zoho.com CEO says domain with 40M users suspended for abuse complaint

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Am I seeing things or is dig really telling me their NS records pointed to vtitan.com? Who the hell is vtitan? Route53 with AWS would run them what, $100 a month for their level of traffic?

Zoho appears to have funded it along with a few other companies. Unfortunately, the Indian news page that reported on the launch is even worse than news sites in the US with popups, pop-ins, pop-overs, pop-rocks, etc, so I can't in good conscience link it here.

Archive.org, for next time.

Re: Zoho.com CEO says domain with 40M users suspended for abuse complaint

#206
Well, of course. Look what business Zoho is in.[1]

"Email marketing software that drives sales. Create, send, and track email campaigns that help you build a strong customer base."

They don't have 40 million users. They have 40 million targets.

Of course they don't get many complaints. If you search for "zoho opt out", you get sent to a page with a HTTP 400 error.[2]

[1] https://www.zoho.com/campaigns [2] https://help.zoho.com/portal/kb/articles/what-does-email-opt...

Re: Zoho.com CEO says domain with 40M users suspended for abuse complaint

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Zoho CEO here. Our domain was abruptly blocked by our registrar this morning. Our NOC team and myself tried to get in touch with them and they tell us "Contact our legal". Even I could not get in touch with anyone beyond their phone operator. The domain was restored, but as DNS takes time to restore, we are still facing issues. They later claimed there were abuse complaints about Zoho.com emails (which is our persona…

Ironic isn't it. You ignored your paid subscriber in 2014, didn't respond to any @ tweets, your phone support went to voicemail, your forum threads were closed with no response. Karma is a bitch isn't it

If you treat any HN user as uncivilly as this again, we will ban you, regardless of what happened in 2014.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Zoho.com CEO says domain with 40M users suspended for abuse complaint

#208

A whole lot of people are learning about the hazards of centralization in email lately. First Google turns GMail into a slow-loading nightmare for weaker computers like mine, then they announced the closure of Inbox. Now 40 million people are without email because Zoho couldn't keep up with registrar consolidations ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18060013 ). Zoho is fine as a service, but a domain suspension s…

> A whole lot of people are learning about the hazards of centralization in email lately. What is the alternative?

In case this is a serious question: federation, with servers kept running by stakeholders of whatever the email's needed for.

Re: Zoho.com CEO says domain with 40M users suspended for abuse complaint

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post #78
post #71

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> Google Google is a registrar themselves... Do you mean they use someone else for their own domains?

Correct, MarkMonitor is a _huge_ business. Alphabet has had an account there for much longer than they have been a Registrar under Google name.

How exactly was that story of a man owning Google.com through Google domains for a few minutes possible, then?

Re: Zoho.com CEO says domain with 40M users suspended for abuse complaint

#210

Couple of things about Zoho that I don't understand. - Why use the same domain for the free service, which is usually more prone to abuse? - Zohocorp.com is hosted on GoDaddy. Why not move all your domains to a single company so that they value your business more and give you a better level of customer service? I hope once this is all over, Zoho just shares their feedback and some advices that will help small busines…

I’ll add another. Why do they use the same domain for both MX records? Why not use mx.zoho.com, mx.zoho.net so that if one domain gets busted at the registry level the backup MX still works?
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