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ProtonMail is a joke. It doesn't report security vulnerabilities to the users, when researchers discover them[1]. It publicly boasts about hacking a phishing site, when claims the journalist's report is based on "unsubstantiated rumors"[2]. It outsources a free VPN service to a data mining company[3], when claims it used it only as "an office space provider"[4]. [1] https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/07/protonmail…
ProtonMail is a joke. It doesn't report security vulnerabilities to the users, when researchers discover them[1]. It publicly boasts about hacking a phishing site, when claims the journalist's report is based on "unsubstantiated rumors"[2]. It outsources a free VPN service to a data mining company[3], when claims it used it only as "an office space provider"[4]. [1] https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/07/protonmail…
There are two reasons I'm still with Google for mail at this point: Inertia, and cost. The former is pretty easy to understand. The latter has more to do with the fact that I have a private domain for our family and I've been using Google Apps since the days when it was free. If I want to convert to another service like ProtonMail then I'm either going to tell a bunch of people in my family to pay up (with all the ac…
I'm pretty speechless. $50/year is twenty seven point oh two (27.02) cups of startbucks small coffee a year for a family . Do people truly think that's expensive for email hosting?! Honestly, no wonder Facebook and Google keep trampling with the so called "rights" of people successfully by peddling "free stuff" -- even those in tech paid six figure salaries think fifty dollars for essential communication for a year f…
I don't think you get this correctly.
Many people use Gmail is because it's stable and came with Google Account, so they sign up conveniently.
Plus, not many people still using email as their main day to day communication method these days. After all, there are many specialized tools out there to pick (For example, some people may use Slack for work, and Facebook for friends etc).
So, I think it's not because $50/year is expensive, rather, it's because many people don't care anymore.
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I'm pretty speechless. $50/year is twenty seven point oh two (27.02) cups of startbucks small coffee a year for a family . Do people truly think that's expensive for email hosting?! Honestly, no wonder Facebook and Google keep trampling with the so called "rights" of people successfully by peddling "free stuff" -- even those in tech paid six figure salaries think fifty dollars for essential communication for a year f…
> Facebook and Google keep trampling with the so called "rights" of people successfully by peddling "free stuff" I don't think you get this correctly. Many people use Gmail is because it's stable and came with Google Account, so they sign up conveniently. Plus, not many people still using email as their main day to day communication method these days. After all, there are many specialized tools out there to pick (For…
I'm going to also make an educated guess that someone who meets the "Spends time on HN, is in tech and is well paid" is likely to be someone who is concerned about "privacy" as well as leaks of PI.
How can I possibly reconcile those positions with $50 per person per year is too expensive?
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Fine, even fifty per year per person for an essential service is $4.16 per month which is two cups of small starbucks drip coffee ( + taxes ) per month per person. If this is too much for essential communication tool which does not sell your information to others in the view of HN-reading, tech-working, six-figure-salary-having tech elite then we have a value problem.
The problem is it's not actually a problem unless you consciously remind yourself it is. Put bluntly, me using gmail has 0 negative impact on my everyday life. What does have negative impact on my life is 1) paying for stuff (always, no matter how wealthy you are) 2) specially when it is less convenient 3) and has worse user experience (hard to beat gmail here) 4) while also having to invest time in educating yoursel…
ProtonMail and FastMail and other paid for competitors are picking up the long tail.
> 1) paying for stuff (always, no matter how wealthy you are)
and until this changes as the mindset one can be assured that he or she would be monetized via selling and influencing his or hers behavior information. After all, someone needs to make money to pay the six figure salaries to people who keep Gmail running and we are unwilling to be charged for it.
Anyone have thoughts on ProtonMail vs FastMail, as a gmail successor?
ProtonMail is a joke. It doesn't report security vulnerabilities to the users, when researchers discover them[1]. It publicly boasts about hacking a phishing site, when claims the journalist's report is based on "unsubstantiated rumors"[2]. It outsources a free VPN service to a data mining company[3], when claims it used it only as "an office space provider"[4]. [1] https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/07/protonmail…
What's a better alternative?
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Parent doesn't seem to be arguing that these providers are anonymous, just that you get what you pay for in customer service. They explicitly say that end to end encryption (ie client side PGP) is required for privacy.
Then his argument is even more flawed, because one can just as well pay for Gmail or Outlook and use PGP with them, without exposing himself to vulnerabilities of smaller email providers.
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Then his argument is even more flawed, because one can just as well pay for Gmail or Outlook and use PGP with them, without exposing himself to vulnerabilities of smaller email providers.
Would love to hear more about this Gmail customer service I can pay for.
ProtonMail was a bit expensive for me, so recently switched from Gmail to Soverin [0]. Based in the Netherlands, costs less than $4 per month for 25gb storage on a custom domain. Also have a Roundcube web interface, but smtp is fine. [0] http://www.soverin.net