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Anyone have thoughts on ProtonMail vs FastMail, as a gmail successor?
Protonmail U2F support and web UI are not perfect, but good enough.
Those were the deciders for my needs.
There are two reasons I'm still with Google for mail at this point: Inertia, and cost. The former is pretty easy to understand. The latter has more to do with the fact that I have a private domain for our family and I've been using Google Apps since the days when it was free. If I want to convert to another service like ProtonMail then I'm either going to tell a bunch of people in my family to pay up (with all the ac…
I'm pretty speechless. $50/year is twenty seven point oh two (27.02) cups of startbucks small coffee a year for a family . Do people truly think that's expensive for email hosting?! Honestly, no wonder Facebook and Google keep trampling with the so called "rights" of people successfully by peddling "free stuff" -- even those in tech paid six figure salaries think fifty dollars for essential communication for a year f…
However, the $75 paid tier "Professional" has multi-user support. I think you could probably use just that to run accounts for your family, if you desired.
[1] https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/07/protonmail_fail_jav...
[2] https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/qvvke7/email-prov...
[3] http://litigation.maxval-ip.com/Litigation/DetailView?CaseID...
Anyone have thoughts on ProtonMail vs FastMail, as a gmail successor?
I'm using FastMail for two years already and it's good. Only thing I don't like in them is lack of transparency how do they address customer feedback: - no roadmap - no uservoice - no discussion forums - the only big change I saw from them in past two years is the new Files UI (who does need it?) They don't evolve and all feedback goes to /dev/null
OTOH, if you're in the US, the next step up in perceived national security threat might well see Protonmail getting blocked. Fastmail, with five eyes on it, maybe not so likely to just "disappear".
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I'm pretty speechless. $50/year is twenty seven point oh two (27.02) cups of startbucks small coffee a year for a family . Do people truly think that's expensive for email hosting?! Honestly, no wonder Facebook and Google keep trampling with the so called "rights" of people successfully by peddling "free stuff" -- even those in tech paid six figure salaries think fifty dollars for essential communication for a year f…
I think they may have been saying $50 (the lowest paid tier) per user per year is too expensive. However, the $75 paid tier "Professional" has multi-user support. I think you could probably use just that to run accounts for your family, if you desired.
If this is too much for essential communication tool which does not sell your information to others in the view of HN-reading, tech-working, six-figure-salary-having tech elite then we have a value problem.
Anyone have thoughts on ProtonMail vs FastMail, as a gmail successor?
Protonmail requires a credit card, your phone number, and javascript, while harping on about their privacy and Switzerland insulation. What about crypto, no javascript and no phone number? Free email providers do the no javascript and no phone number thing. It is like trying its hardest to collect your information It reminds me of Nigerian scammers, they intentionally say ridiculous things to weed out people smart en…
There are two reasons I'm still with Google for mail at this point: Inertia, and cost. The former is pretty easy to understand. The latter has more to do with the fact that I have a private domain for our family and I've been using Google Apps since the days when it was free. If I want to convert to another service like ProtonMail then I'm either going to tell a bunch of people in my family to pay up (with all the ac…
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If you are concerned about TLA agencies having access to your data, Russian servers look like a very good choice.
Umm, concerned about TLA agencies, you say; then how about FSB?
then again, it is probably futile for a normal person to even include TLAs in their threat model.
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Protonmail requires a credit card, your phone number, and javascript, while harping on about their privacy and Switzerland insulation. What about crypto, no javascript and no phone number? Free email providers do the no javascript and no phone number thing. It is like trying its hardest to collect your information It reminds me of Nigerian scammers, they intentionally say ridiculous things to weed out people smart en…
Since encryption (and decryption) is done by client-side Javascript, and you don't want them to run Javascript, how would you prefer the encryption be done?
okay, then I'll do that in whonix.
regarding the payment I couldn't see how to pay in crypto and also get a simple captcha instead of SMS verification