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In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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Post by remir »

mattkevan wrote: post #75
omosubi wrote: post #16

I used to be a Google fan boy but am starting to dislike them more and more. This, they killed off reader and the creepy data collection they do is why I've started to look into alternatives for their products - anyone have any good suggestions?

After being a keen Google user in the late 2000s to mid 2010s, I’ve been in on a process of extracting them from my life now their true creepy colours are on display. YouTube => Deleted Google plus => Deleted Gmail => Deleted, switched to Soverin [0], works great, less than $4 per month for 25gb email hosting Drive => Deleted, moved to iCloud Docs => Deleted, use iWork for docs and Bear [1] for text Search => Duck Du…

I used Apple Maps when I had my iPhone and it worked great for me. Loved the UI. When I saw error on the maps, I gave feedback so Apple could improve the thing. I do the same on Google Maps.

I'm using a Pixel 2 XL now and while Google's services are indeed quite good, Apple's own suite of apps worked quite well, too. I like that the image recognition for photos was done on device instead of some remote servers.

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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Post by ldiracdelta »

andrewstuart wrote: post #7

Google's shutdown of products and APIs seems to have led to critical level of trust loss amongst developers and influencers. It's time for Google to either fix this or get out of providing services and APIs to developers. Google doesn't seem to put any weight at all on the outcry every time its shutters another service/API. The trust must be restored. Google doesn't seem to understand that when they shut service X, t…

Microsoft and Intel _worship_ backwards compatibility and the result is that I actually do trust them to not nuke api's on a whim. I can build a product on MS or Intel and it will work for a long time. Google does not care about developers if it nukes api's.

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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Post by jdc0589 »

paublyrne wrote: post #5

The new look Gmail has performed very poorly for me. Hanging for extended periods while changing views, and during search. I'm not sure why a UI refresh would have such an effect but I've been avoiding switching because of this

inbox wasn't a great performer either, to be fair.

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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Post by Buge »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #10

I don't think Google cares whether its users are "passionate" or not. They've reached market saturation, so further spread of their products through word-of-mouth (via passionate users and such) isn't a goal at this time. With regard to their Internet service products, their goal seem to be to monetize the user base effectively, while avoiding wasting funds on unnecessary developer time. To that end, many of their pr…

You're right that passionate users can no longer effectively bring new people to Google. But passionate users can lead people away from Google.

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Post by yawz »

Gatsky wrote: post #131

There is always so much vitriol on HN about these kinds of announcements. I've never understood why. Google presumably has lots of data and feedback from people using Inbox, and determined that it wasn't useful enough or widespread enough to justify ongoing investment. Why is this surprising or shocking? This happens all the time in commercial and open source software. The internet is great, but unfortunately has the…

> The internet is great, but unfortunately has the ability to agglomerate individual moments of otherwise transient irritation into a pyroclastic flow of outrage.

I must admit I love the way that you phrased this.

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Post by Buge »

ashelmire wrote: post #120
decasia wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Soverin sounds like a good project. What do you make of the fact that the warrant canary hasn't been updated since May, though? https://soverin.net/warrant-canary

Aren't warrant canaries valid until removed? Dates on them don't matter.

It says "Up to date as of: 2018-05-22". That seems to imply that it may have been invalidated at some later point. If it is valid until removed, then it shouldn't have a date at all.

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Post by smt88 »

mr_toad wrote: post #118
smt88 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My company switched from AWS to Azure without considering Google's Cloud at all, and the loss of trust is the reason.

Microsoft have done a few of their own u-turns on developers. The most recent that springs to mind is the ditching of ADO in favour of ODBC which pissed a lot of developers off. There are plenty of other examples.

They U-turned on devs, not on paying corporate clients (mostly).

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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Post by bshoemaker »

Gatsky wrote: post #131

There is always so much vitriol on HN about these kinds of announcements. I've never understood why. Google presumably has lots of data and feedback from people using Inbox, and determined that it wasn't useful enough or widespread enough to justify ongoing investment. Why is this surprising or shocking? This happens all the time in commercial and open source software. The internet is great, but unfortunately has the…

How long did you spend with a thesaurus to construct this sentence, good god

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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Post by smt88 »

mbrumlow wrote: post #130
smt88 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My company switched from AWS to Azure without considering Google's Cloud at all, and the loss of trust is the reason.

Should have switched to bare metal, things like AWS cost a ton more than you realize, it just looks like a good deal because you have smaller cost up front. But in the long run managing your own systems at places like Softlayer can save you a bundle. EDIT: I don't care about downvotes, but if you are going to do it at least leave a comment of why you think I am wrong.

If Azure costs 10x what bare metal costs, it's choosing between 1% of my tech budget or 0.1%. I doubt the multiplier is that bad, but bare metal isn't a consideration either way.

There's also some good integration with PM and IDE software that we use and enjoy.

Re: In killing Inbox, Google takes another swipe at its most passionate users

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Post by DoreenMichele »

bshoemaker wrote: post #178
Gatsky wrote: post #131

There is always so much vitriol on HN about these kinds of announcements. I've never understood why. Google presumably has lots of data and feedback from people using Inbox, and determined that it wasn't useful enough or widespread enough to justify ongoing investment. Why is this surprising or shocking? This happens all the time in commercial and open source software. The internet is great, but unfortunately has the…

How long did you spend with a thesaurus to construct this sentence, good god

I'm guessing zilch.
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