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Re: Sperm Count Zero

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Post by sheepmullet »

eridius wrote: post #94
zxcvvcxz wrote: post #5

>“What you are seeing in a number of systems, other developmental systems, is that the sex differences are shrinking,” Swan told me. Men are producing less sperm. They're also becoming less male. Is it possible that these phenomena relate to the seemingly explosive rise in transgenderism? Particularly MtF, which is much more common than the reverse. Perhaps for those with already low male:female hormone ratios, if th…

> Is it possible that these phenomena relate to the seemingly explosive rise in transgenderism? No. Being transgender is not the result of having imbalanced hormone levels. The proof is the fact that giving trans women testosterone doesn't "cure" their gender dysphoria (it may actually make it worse), and same goes for giving trans men estrogen. > Particularly MtF, which is much more common than the reverse. Not true…

> The proof is the fact that giving trans women testosterone doesn't "cure" their gender dysphoria

Interesting! I was wondering about this the other day. Do you have any links?

Re: Sperm Count Zero

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Post by badcede »

ScottBurson wrote: post #79
scarejunba wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jesus Christ, #2 sounds dangerously like the parent pushing her viewpoints on the poor kid.

Where do you see that? I don't get that at all. It clearly sounds like his decision to wear dresses — the mother is just reflecting on the implications of that choice.

For children, it's always about what the parents want. Children will do anything for their parents.

Kids don't put themselves in news articles. It's the parents who do it, but they always say the child spontaneously behaved that way.

Re: Sperm Count Zero

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Post by Izkata »

scarejunba wrote: post #90
ScottBurson wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do you see that? I don't get that at all. It clearly sounds like his decision to wear dresses — the mother is just reflecting on the implications of that choice.

To me, it sounds like it’s got that tone. Like if your communist friend tells you, “My younger son just asked me why the proletariat allow the capital class to maintain a reserve army of labour. He also told me he wants to go to his third grade class dressed as Engels to protest the violence inherent in the system.” Makes me a little ... queasy. FWIW I’m not particularly bothered by the concept that a little kid may…

I read it almost exactly halfway between what you two do: She read waay too much into one of her kid's specific preferences, and accidentally pushed him into dresses because of her own beliefs.

Take myself for example, and imagine what that mother would have thought: Up until ~14 I wore various old shirts from my parents to bed and on weekends, which were long enough to look like a dress on me, but it had nothing to do with liking dresses. It had to do with regular clothes being too stifling to be comfortable on the weekend, pajamas being too warm, and me not having confidence to just go around in only underwear.

Re: Sperm Count Zero

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Post by Izkata »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #43
seibelj wrote: post #10

Children of Men? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Men

There was an episode of Stargate where an alien race reduces human fertility by 98%. They do some shenanigans with time travel to tell themselves to not contact that world in order to prevent it. May have auto-play audio: http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/2001_(episode)

Your link is for the second appearance of the Aschen, when SG-1 meets with a different civilization they've already pacified. The episode with the time-travel shenanigans is the first of the two episodes: https://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/2010_(episode)

Re: Sperm Count Zero

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Post by eridius »

sheepmullet wrote: post #101
eridius wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is it possible that these phenomena relate to the seemingly explosive rise in transgenderism? No. Being transgender is not the result of having imbalanced hormone levels. The proof is the fact that giving trans women testosterone doesn't "cure" their gender dysphoria (it may actually make it worse), and same goes for giving trans men estrogen. > Particularly MtF, which is much more common than the reverse. Not true…

> The proof is the fact that giving trans women testosterone doesn't "cure" their gender dysphoria Interesting! I was wondering about this the other day. Do you have any links?

I don’t have any links off the top of my head, but it’s generally accepted by the medical community at this point that the only effective treatment for gender dysphoria is to transition. I’d try to dig up links but I’m on mobile and the brief search I just did only talks about cross-sex hormone therapy (though the lack of quick info on same-sex hormone therapy itself is a big clue that it doesn’t work).

Re: Sperm Count Zero

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Post by Youden »

spraak wrote: post #81
spraak wrote: post #54

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Testosterone also drops from high consumption of animal products.

I'm wondering if the downvotes are from me not citing sources or from people getting triggered.

Definitely the former. HN doesn't take well to people making unsubstantiated assertions.

If you want to make a statement like this, don't bother unless you have evidence.

It's also usually better to frame it around the evidence, like "this study from UCLA found that higher consumption of animal products led to decreased testosterone levels". This way, the discussion will be focused on the evidence or the conclusion you drew from it.

Re: Sperm Count Zero

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Post by msiyer »

XorNot wrote: post #91
spraak wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm wondering if the downvotes are from me not citing sources or from people getting triggered.

Eating meat is a manly-man activity and what no one wants out of study like this is to have their preconceptions challenged or to hear they might have to change their behaviour in any way.

>> Eating meat is a manly-man activity

This is something that baffles me. The biggest, strongest mammals are herbivorous - elephant, bull, bison... Even the best carnivorous animals meditate for a few hours and seek divine help before messing with these guys.

Why is eating grass, not a manly-man activity?

Re: Sperm Count Zero

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Post by jondubois »

ImaCake wrote: post #86
lukas099 wrote: post #61

Is it possible that sperm counts are lower simply because there is less selective pressure for producing lots of sperm? Less sperm competition and increased fertility due to medicine would both do that.

There aren't really any good evolutionary explanations for the decrease in sperm count. Changes in the distribution and frequency of any given genotype/phenotype literally takes generations to occur, and would require some kind of selective pressure (as you say, competition and medically induced fertility are possibilities). This is happening too fast and too uniformly.

>> would require some kind of selective pressure

Not selective pressure, but lack of it.

When you take away selective pressure for a specific trait, organisms become weaker on average in respect to that trait; when a trait loses importance, populations divert their resources to different traits.

Re: Sperm Count Zero

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Post by gaius »

tluyben2 wrote: post #8
zaroth wrote: post #4

I had heard that sperm counts are dropping. What was news to me was that the decline is continuing, even accelerating, and also the concomitant drop in testosterone levels, starting even in utero. The bit about AGD was also pretty crazy — followed by the bit about men becoming less male . Some fear-mongering there no doubt, but a topic which in this era is more likely to be met with scoffs of “good riddance” rather t…

> followed by the bit about men becoming less male. This is pretty obvious without any research (papers). The difference between my generation and our children is already staggering in this regard. Not sure if that's just change in culture or physiological though; maybe a bit of both?

Yes, men today much weaker than their fathers https://www.menshealth.com/fitness/a19526832/grip-strength-w...
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