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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Testosterone also drops from high consumption of animal products.

I'm wondering if the downvotes are from me not citing sources or from people getting triggered.

Eating meat is a manly-man activity and what no one wants out of study like this is to have their preconceptions challenged or to hear they might have to change their behaviour in any way.

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No on can prove the specific reason, I'm sure any reason that is explored will get push back from businesses who have interests in that area, for example if it's because of sugar, mobile phones, pesticides or pollution, all those industries will fund counter claims. It's sad but that's the capitalist world we live in, the problem will get so bad even the owners of these businesses will be affected but foolish enough to continue for the pursuit of greed and profit, knowingly or unknowingly destroying the chance of future, healthy offspring.

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Is man is even needed is my take. Only those deliver are important and only woman by definition reproduce. For diversity, one day the female as a race can get each other X genes ... why need Y ... The question is why we need male? Not totally sure actually even though I am male.

And here we see sperm count zero manifest.

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>“What you are seeing in a number of systems, other developmental systems, is that the sex differences are shrinking,” Swan told me. Men are producing less sperm. They're also becoming less male. Is it possible that these phenomena relate to the seemingly explosive rise in transgenderism? Particularly MtF, which is much more common than the reverse. Perhaps for those with already low male:female hormone ratios, if th…

> Is it possible that these phenomena relate to the seemingly explosive rise in transgenderism?

No. Being transgender is not the result of having imbalanced hormone levels. The proof is the fact that giving trans women testosterone doesn't "cure" their gender dysphoria (it may actually make it worse), and same goes for giving trans men estrogen.

> Particularly MtF, which is much more common than the reverse.

Not true. This is an artifact of the fact that, for decades, sexologists were primarily only interested in studying MtF people, and that the transgender population was only measured in terms of who was allowed to transition (and, like the sexologists studying it, the doctors who prescribed hormones significantly favored MtF patients).

It turns out that when you remove the gatekeeping bullshit and actually measure the real trans population, not just the population of people allowed to medically transition, people transition in both directions at approximately the same rate (meaning the MtF population is about the same size as the FtM population).

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I wonder how substantiated these numbers are but I can't deny that IVF facilities have been very very busy all over. In Canada, fertility treatment rate increased to 15.7% in 2011, up from 5.4% in 1984. It is a safe bet that 1 in 8 couples you know probably have visited fertility clinic[1].

Also, does this apply to China/India or just Western world? If no then I would worry about all the tech that has gotten in to our lives like plastic everywhere, RF radiation through wifi, chemical infested food and toys etc.

1. https://resolve.org/infertility-101/what-is-infertility/fast...

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I had heard that sperm counts are dropping. What was news to me was that the decline is continuing, even accelerating, and also the concomitant drop in testosterone levels, starting even in utero. The bit about AGD was also pretty crazy — followed by the bit about men becoming less male . Some fear-mongering there no doubt, but a topic which in this era is more likely to be met with scoffs of “good riddance” rather t…

likely to be met with scoffs of “good riddance” My first thought was that this may also cast light on the rise of the trans rights movement. If men are becoming less male, surely this relates to so many people saying "I'm really a woman trapped in a man's body." or vice versa. This may also help explain why trans people are so often met with open hostility as "freaks" etc. No, I am not defending their mistreatment. B…

> I personally like "manly men" and that's also not a PC thing to admit to

there's nothing political about liking what you like. You don't need to justify yourself, your preferences or their reasonings to anyone. That's half the point of the sexual liberation movement.

> I'm a fairly traditionally feminine woman and spent a couple of decades as a homemaker and full-time mom. I am routinely met with open hostility from self proclaimed trans activists, feminists, etc.

for raising kids? i didn't realize investing in future generations was controversial. You have just as much right to exist and go about your life as they do or anyone else.

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In mammals generally testosterone levels and photoperiod are very closely linked. It would be surprising if our increasing use (abuse) or artificial light didn't sharply drop our testosterone levels.

Testosterone also drops from high consumption of animal products.

> Testosterone also drops from high consumption of animal products.

Does it? As far as I can tell high levels of saturated fat increases testosterone levels.

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post #91
post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm wondering if the downvotes are from me not citing sources or from people getting triggered.

Eating meat is a manly-man activity and what no one wants out of study like this is to have their preconceptions challenged or to hear they might have to change their behaviour in any way.

> Eating meat is a manly-man activity and what no one wants out of study like this is to have their preconceptions challenged

Not really - for example most “manly-men” can agree heavy drinking decreases testosterone levels.

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I had heard that sperm counts are dropping. What was news to me was that the decline is continuing, even accelerating, and also the concomitant drop in testosterone levels, starting even in utero. The bit about AGD was also pretty crazy — followed by the bit about men becoming less male . Some fear-mongering there no doubt, but a topic which in this era is more likely to be met with scoffs of “good riddance” rather t…

I’ve got a hypothesis that there is a set amount of testosterone possible in the world (or social group). More males = less to go around. It would make sense from a not-constantly-on-edge perspective as the amount of males per unit of territory goes up.

Just a hypothesis, could make for interesting research.

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