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Tesla Accounting Chief, HR Head Resign on the Same Day; Stock Plunges

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And their Chief People Officer, is not coming back from her leave. From the outside it looks like Telsa is about going to go into a tough winter like moment. They are almost losing by winning. They are at capacity in their Fremont factory but still not making a profit. They need to start designing and building out manufacturing facilities for their next car and the help bolster Model X manufacturing. Stop and think f…

> Stop and think for a second that Tesla is one earthquake away from no longer being a company.

This is highly unlikely in the short term and in the long term they'll be building more plants. It's also something anyone can insure against by placing a bet that an earthquake will destroy their factory in the next five years. You'll presumably get 50:1 odds or better (a good chunk of which is the vig), which means the insurance would cost less than 2% of the sum you want insured.

> they have about a year of cash runway left( optimistically)

Unless they turn a profit (or come closer to it), which it's plausible they're about to do.

> You can't just collect insurance money and build a new factory like you can with a house, this is a many year project.

No, but you can buy insurance in the amount of the value of the output (or of your shares) rather than the cost of building a new facility, if you were really that worried about it.

> And the most worrying thing for them is that their next car will compete head on with Mercedes, BMW, Audi, and GM. That will be the first time they've had to compete head on with a competitor.

The entire EV market is production capacity constrained and will be for a couple more years at least. They can't lose sales to Mercedes or BMW EVs because they'll all already be selling 100% of the EVs they can manufacture, all of which are coming at the expense of petrol cars.

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"Wall Street" is not betting on them to go bankrupt. Collectively, investors value this company that produces, at best, 7K cars a week at $45 billion. The idea that one quarter of profitability achieved through slashing capex to the bone fundamentally would fundamentally change their valuation doesn't carry much water in my view.

Tesla is more than just a car manufacture. I doubt self driving + solar + battery + charging network etc is worth the kind premium they have over just being a car company. But, analysis based strictly on car sales a mistake, especially as established car companies outsource so much parts production.

The Solar is a liability.

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post #46

As someone who's not obsessively following Tesla, I'm a bit jaded by these. I'm sure there are problems, but what feels like massive PR efforts by the "shorts" has effectively poisoned the well for negative news. As a casual observer I can't tell what's actual bad news and what's well-orchestrated market-manipulation "OMG WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE" by people trying to drop the price, and I don't actually care enough about…

> I'm sure there are problems, but what feels like massive PR efforts by the "shorts" has effectively poisoned the well for negative news. What kind of PR effort do you need when every CFO you hire keeps leaving? Think about it. The person in the company who completely knows the financials stays for a month and bounces? Why? Could it be that the financials are so bad they are unfixable? Could it be that that person i…

Deepak Ahuja has been CFO forever with a brief break in between. What are you talking about ?

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post #79

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I think it's a little early for people who don't "do" to call it that LIDAR is mandatory, and that optics and radar aren't sufficient. Autopilot is still in development.

LIDAR is not necessarily categorically mandatory, but shadow braking and other autopilot failure modes demonstrate that it or something with its capabilities are probably necessary right now to enable today's "AI" to safely drive a car. My point about active sensing being able to decide edge cases explains why this is likely the case. IMHO doing without precise active sensing would require a breakthrough in AI that h…

Seems weird that the Tesla can't infer that there is no wall there from GPS data.

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post #94

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>See, it's easy to ask stupidly leading questions and spout completely baseless speculation. What's more difficult is actually examining the facts and drawing a rational conclusion. In the first quarter of this year, the company lost Morton’s predecessor, Eric Branderiz, and Susan Repo, who was treasurer and vice president of finance. CFO Deepak Ahuja retired in 2015, only to return in 2017 after his successor, Jason…

It's a public startup company with ~$45bn of market cap. A lot of people want to jump on the hypetrain but once they realize it takes actual work to get this company from Elon's wild dream to a steady-state market leading EV manufacturer while working under pressure from an obsessive man and near limitless public scrutiny, they immediately jump ship.

> but once they realize it takes actual work to get this company from Elon's wild dream

If what you claim was true, Musk is not good at picking people. CxO level hires are not people who managed to breeze through an HR phone interview, they are vetted by the CEO himself.

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post #143

And their Chief People Officer, is not coming back from her leave. From the outside it looks like Telsa is about going to go into a tough winter like moment. They are almost losing by winning. They are at capacity in their Fremont factory but still not making a profit. They need to start designing and building out manufacturing facilities for their next car and the help bolster Model X manufacturing. Stop and think f…

Tesla's liquidity issues are completely overblown. Nevermind that their cashflow and spend numbers are improving. People also tend to overlook the amount of investor liquidity we have in the market. SoftBank has a $100bn fund. Saudi's have a $1 trillion sovereign wealth fund. I believe the UAE have something similar as well. Raising a couple billion dollars in this environment would be extremely easy. Especially when…

The complaint isn't that Tesla faces challenges in raising money, but that Tesla is delusional in believing that it doesn't need to raise money.

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post #104

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> However, M3 production numbers are actually looking good now, and they are hitting their targets for the first time. Really? Where can I read the official quarterly numbers? Of what quality are these cars? Do they all need to be reworked? > Musk has repeatedly stated that the company will not need to raise new money He said that prior to raising cash the last 3 times. He also said he was going to take the company p…

Given that he knows his memes, and that “420” is a weed meme, and given it was a ridiculously stupid thing for him to tweet, I’m of the opinion he was literally high when he said that.

If he really did do it while high and without any factual basis, then the SEC case against him is solid.

"I did it for the lulz" is unfortunately not a valid legal defense.

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#159

I think it's time for Elon to step away from Tesla. He is an incredible visionary and that's what made Tesla possible and revolutionized the car industry. That work is done now. Everyone is making electric cars now. There is no need for Elon to innovate at Tesla anymore. I might even go so far and say that Tesla had moved the entire industry so much that there isn't even much need for Tesla itself. I think it's best…

I tend to agree. He's been fantastic at getting the impossible to happen, but he's not as good at just running things.

There was a bit in time when he offered to help Flint, MI with their water. It turns out they don't need the help.

However, if he were to turn his fantastic energy towards helping under-served communities, I think he'd find that there's plenty to do, and very satisfying.

Re: Tesla Accounting Chief, HR Head Resign on the Same Day; Stock Plunges

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And their Chief People Officer, is not coming back from her leave. From the outside it looks like Telsa is about going to go into a tough winter like moment. They are almost losing by winning. They are at capacity in their Fremont factory but still not making a profit. They need to start designing and building out manufacturing facilities for their next car and the help bolster Model X manufacturing. Stop and think f…

compete head on with Mercedes

Tesla’s brand is strong enough that they can charge Mercedes level prices with poor quality interior fittings. Sit in a Tesla, it feels like a car costing half as much.

If Mercedes can maintain their user experience in EVs without a significant price premium, Tesla is toast.

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