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How Indian Americans Came to Run Half of All U.S. Motels

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Re: How Indian Americans Came to Run Half of All U.S. Motels

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Post by balls187 »

jessaustin wrote: post #19
cryptozeus wrote: post #13

I am from gujarat, do not own any motel. In my experience I can definitely believe this to be true. Personally know so many people heho owns motels. I am shocked about the 50% though!

No one who travels and stays in small-to-medium-sized hotels is shocked by this. I have a complaint, however. We have so many Indian-Americans distributed all over the nation, and it is still fairly difficult to find good Indian food outside big cities.

Good Indian food doesn't exist in the US.

Take a trip to BC, or the UK, and you'll see what I mean.

Re: How Indian Americans Came to Run Half of All U.S. Motels

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Post by AdamM12 »

learc83 wrote: post #83
AdamM12 wrote: post #72

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Worked in restaurant industry. Latino workers had a pool of money that the all put into and if I remember correctly they rotated who the paid it out to for big purchases like this. I think they mainly used it for like cars and homes.

I had an ex-girlfriend whose family did this. I had no idea it was a cultural thing (she was from Mexico). I just just thought it was specific to her family. If I remember correctly though, it caused a far amount of problems because people would often stop paying after their turn.

Yeah I can imagine. Really has to be close nit so you can put social pressures.

Re: How Indian Americans Came to Run Half of All U.S. Motels

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Post by balls187 »

DhirubhaiPatel wrote: post #112

Gujarati here. Our success in Motel and Gas Station industry can be attributed to the following. The same model then also can be seen in tech industry. I have explained below : "Ability to establish trust while bypassing all the conventional channels." Coming from a socialist country like India to USA I noticed that transaction costs in USA are damn too low simply because of the trust factor. There is no two factor a…

> I think the lack of proper deterministic path to green card actually forces smaller ethnic groups to huddle together instead of being more individualistic. This in some way prevents assimilation.

Every ethnic immigrant group huddles together, regardless of visa status. That is basic human nature.

Re: How Indian Americans Came to Run Half of All U.S. Motels

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Post by ahstilde »

balls187 wrote: post #161
jessaustin wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one who travels and stays in small-to-medium-sized hotels is shocked by this. I have a complaint, however. We have so many Indian-Americans distributed all over the nation, and it is still fairly difficult to find good Indian food outside big cities.

Good Indian food doesn't exist in the US. Take a trip to BC, or the UK, and you'll see what I mean.

This is incredibly diminutive of Indian cuisine in America.

The Bay Area itself has Zareen's (Michelin guide) and Rasa (Michelin star).

Yes, the UK has much more phenomenal Indian food, but to say the US has none is wrong.

Re: How Indian Americans Came to Run Half of All U.S. Motels

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Post by selimthegrim »

automated_toast wrote: post #21
selimthegrim wrote: post #11

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I have to wonder if any Gujarati non-Patel Muslims turned up, would they be getting the same handshake loans?

Non-Patel Hindus that are of the same caste as Patels would have a hard time getting Handshake loans. It is really tribal. Within Patels themselves, there are extensive intra-Patel clans.

I know, but I mean there are Muslim Patels too, is what I was driving at.

Re: How Indian Americans Came to Run Half of All U.S. Motels

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Post by balls187 »

ahstilde wrote: post #164
balls187 wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good Indian food doesn't exist in the US. Take a trip to BC, or the UK, and you'll see what I mean.

This is incredibly diminutive of Indian cuisine in America. The Bay Area itself has Zareen's (Michelin guide) and Rasa (Michelin star). Yes, the UK has much more phenomenal Indian food, but to say the US has none is wrong.

Ah yes, Indian cuisine like "Bombay Sliders."

Re: How Indian Americans Came to Run Half of All U.S. Motels

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Post by walrus01 »

sumedh wrote: post #153
pm90 wrote: post #130

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The Gujaratis are known for being very enterprising folks. It is culturally respected in the community to have your own business, whether it is a small corner shop or the biggest corporation. India’s biggest private corporations (Reliance Industries) was started by a Gujju. Gandhi and the current PM also hail from this state.

> The Gujaratis are known for being very enterprising folks. The downside is that some of the biggest and famous crooks are from the same community as well.

There's lots of famous financial fraudsters and crooks from any community. Look at the Ivy League graduates working on Wall Street who caused the 2007/2008 financial crisis.

Re: How Indian Americans Came to Run Half of All U.S. Motels

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Post by jessaustin »

balls187 wrote: post #161
jessaustin wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one who travels and stays in small-to-medium-sized hotels is shocked by this. I have a complaint, however. We have so many Indian-Americans distributed all over the nation, and it is still fairly difficult to find good Indian food outside big cities.

Good Indian food doesn't exist in the US. Take a trip to BC, or the UK, and you'll see what I mean.

Dude I've lived in Singapore. You don't have to tell me about food.

Re: How Indian Americans Came to Run Half of All U.S. Motels

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Post by walrus01 »

balls187 wrote: post #161
jessaustin wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one who travels and stays in small-to-medium-sized hotels is shocked by this. I have a complaint, however. We have so many Indian-Americans distributed all over the nation, and it is still fairly difficult to find good Indian food outside big cities.

Good Indian food doesn't exist in the US. Take a trip to BC, or the UK, and you'll see what I mean.

While I am in agreement that BC has plenty of authentic south asian cuisine, Seattle is not so terrible.

Food recommendation: Gulberg Restaurant, 5943 Fraser St, Vancouver, BC V5W 2Z6

Authentic Lahori food.

The cuisine is way older than the 1947 partition...

Re: How Indian Americans Came to Run Half of All U.S. Motels

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Post by barry-cotter »

jlg23 wrote: post #75
iguy wrote: post #45

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I think it's much deeper than "individualist streak in American culture". Western Europe in the last 1000 years or so has been a very unusual place... one aspect of which is having nuclear families not extended ones. Because (crudely speaking) the catholic church wished to diminish alternative power structures, such as clans. This led to an unusually open society, which had many benefits... with generally higher leve…

Unless you have some references, I'd call this a "nice theory" (to be read with a British accent). Spontaneously: * South America appeared to be more catholic than any Western European or US-American place I've visited, but family and extended family are still a big thing. * Calvinists seem to be much more "open" than catholics to me. * Damn, I want the secret recipe that lets me set a policy and enforce it in vast a…

Extended family may be a thing in Western Europe and derived cultural areas but clans are not. Descent based political groupings are for backwoods peasants at best, not the commanding heights of the polity, unlike every other meta cultural grouping.

The recipe for setting and enforcing a policy over vast areas of time and space is incentive compatibility. It is always in the interest of one powerful political group to make coordinated action against it more difficult. The Catholic Church had a strong incentive to break up extended kin groups and they did. It was possible to get dispensations for royalty and the peasantry mostly did whatever it wanted. Keeping up the same policy for over a thousand years was enough to make Western Europe and especially Northwestern Europe uniquely atomised in human history.

If you want an academic source look below. Frost basically took what blogger hbdchick had been writing about for years, did a review article on it and didn’t cite her. http://hbdchick.wordpress.com/

The Hajnal Line and Gene-Culture Coevolution in Northwest Europe Peter Frost

http://file.scirp.org/pdf/AA_2017082915090955.pdf

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