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How Indian Americans Came to Run Half of All U.S. Motels

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Re: How Indian Americans Came to Run Half of All U.S. Motels

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I find this interesting, because my family used to take road trips all the time (annually in the '90s, less often since then), and we mostly stayed in motels that were part of national chains like Hampton Inn, La Quinta, Holiday Inn Express, Fairfield by Marriott, Best Western, etc., and I honestly don't recall the staff being Indian (since we mostly travelled through the Southeast, most of the employees we interacte…

90s is far to early. The anti-asian immigration laws were repealed only in 1965 [1] only to benefit Poles and Italians but then also ended up benefiting Indians and Chinese. Many of them came to USA during that time and toiled mostly in menial jobs. It was only around late 80s that they had gathered enough influence to buy motels and such and this motel takeover was much more visible during early 2001s. In the Obama era recession the property prices dropped further and many Indians purchased even more motels.

Also the Patel community is not really into high end motels like Hampton Inn. They are into Motel 6, Super 8, Choice Hotels, etc.

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Re: How Indian Americans Came to Run Half of All U.S. Motels

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be clear, my claim above is that the church, as a centralising power structure in "christaindom" circa 1000AD, played some role in pushing the culture there towards openness, or in making extended families less important. Claiming that christianity always and everywhere does this would be pretty obviously wrong, and I did not say this. And indeed even within europe today, catholic-ness is anti-correlated with this…

But still this doesn't make sense, as Latin America was converted in the 1500s, well after the 1000 AD change that you claim occurred. Latin America, despite having 500 years for Catholicism to settle in, is still really big into the extended family. I think a better explanation is the Protestant reformation weakened the idea that any person should subjugate their own personal individual desires for the greater good,…

>despite having 500 years for Catholicism to settle in, is still really big into the extended family.

And? The people running the catholic church around 1000 AD were not running the catholic church in Latin America in 1500 AD.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not (just) that most Americans feel these jobs aren't worth their time. There is a very strong individualist streak in American culture and a very strong taboo against lending friends or family members money for any reason. There are plenty of American families who have relations who could easily help bootstrap a profitable small business in the way described here. It just doesn't happen that way very often. Ins…

I don't really think one paragraph follows from the other. You say Americans are uniquely unwilling to pool their financial resources to family members, then cite examples of that happening.

No, I say they're unwilling to in the way described, and cite examples of how specifically it usually works.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not (just) that most Americans feel these jobs aren't worth their time. There is a very strong individualist streak in American culture and a very strong taboo against lending friends or family members money for any reason. There are plenty of American families who have relations who could easily help bootstrap a profitable small business in the way described here. It just doesn't happen that way very often. Ins…

There are good reasons that many people avoid lending money to (or even doing business with) close friends and relatives. If the venture doesn't succeed, and the friend is unable to repay the loan, it can create animosity and bitterness that wreck the relationship. Even if things go well, it can create an uncomfortable power dynamic that makes the relationship less pleasant and friendly.

I grew up in a community that was just coming out of this phase (the combined Israeli and Persian Jewish communities of LA). I think you're interpreting "relations" in a way too close to the "relatives" of the (relatively atomized) White American society.

Informal immigrant aid networks are generally wider than "close friends and relatives" - they extend to distant cousins and friends-of-friends. For example, in this article the relevant quote is “If you are a Patel, lease a hotel” - Patels being a relatively broad caste, and a surname representing about 10% of all Indian-Americans, not a "family" in the American sense.

For a concrete example of how this works in the Middle Eastern Jewish community, and historically in the Ashkenazi immigrant Jewish community:

Instead of "hey uncle, I hear you have $50K lying around, could you loan me some?" it's "hello second cousin once removed, my uncle got me in touch with you - I hear you've got $50K lying around?" You're generally a step or two removed from the direct source of money. The act of the intermediary is a one-time intervention and said interaction is usually closed out with a direct thanks or a gift or both, rather than being an ongoing professional relationship. If the venture doesn't succeed you'll have an awkward relationship with the two-hops-removed acquaintance, and the one-hop-removed intermediary will know about it and be less likely to recommend you to others for credit, but real social consequences that extend to direct friends and relatives are reserved for those who are considered to have acted maliciously or irresponsibly (e.g. if it's clear you've blown the money on hookers and blackjack, you and possibly your children will be ostracized).

Search for "credit" in this article on immigrant enclaves for some examples of communities with these kinds of social structures: https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/433f/567bd158d95f0c2611489d... (This also mentions different informal lending structures than the ones that I'm familiar with personally - instances in Korean and Latino communities of "lending circles" i.e. collective lending among peers, rather than from individual community eminences.)

Re: How Indian Americans Came to Run Half of All U.S. Motels

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Can someone tell me why the surname of Patel is so predominant in the hotel owners? The article doesn't really explain why.

Patel + Hotel owner here.

We are from Indian state Gujarat. Patel is the most common last name in Gujarat.

90+% of Patels I know immigrated to the USA through chain migration. My dad's sister-in-law's sister (A) & her husband came to the USA in last 60s early 70s. Sister (A) applied for the immigration visa for my dad's sister-in-law. My dad's sister-in-law and my dad's brother immigrated to the USA in the late 70s. My dad's brother applied immigration visa for all his brothers & sisters. My dad & his family (including me) immigrated to the USA in the late 90s.

Roughly 200+ of us were migrated to the USA because of the sister (A). Half of them speaks & understand very very basic English. They only have limited options for the job. Mom&Pop kind of motel is easy to run, only requires talking to a few people and its mostly same every day. So they work their butt off for a few years and buy a small motel.

Those who can speak little better English end up working at someone else's hotel when they move to the USA, and from there with the friend/family's help they buy their motel.

Re: How Indian Americans Came to Run Half of All U.S. Motels

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Can someone tell me why the surname of Patel is so predominant in the hotel owners? The article doesn't really explain why.

The Gujaratis are known to be big on business as the bread and butter of life. Even the simplest of businesses is something they would rather pick up than learn an actual trade. Of the Gujaratis, the Patel's are known for being the biggest pursuers of business. Aside from being a common name, Patel is synonymous to owning a business. One of the ways that Gujaratis come to America is use the investments route, sort of…

> sort of like investment chain migration

Most of us came to America through chain migration (Family F3/F4 Category)

Re: How Indian Americans Came to Run Half of All U.S. Motels

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Is the author generalizing other South Asian immigrants as Indian Americans? Or is it factual that Indian-Americans do own 50% of motels in the USA? Because I have seen a lot of Bangladeshis, Pakistanis and even Arabs owning motel businesses across the USA. I am not cleared about this just from reading the article alone.

Yes, 60% of motels are owned by Indians, and 1/3 of those (so 20% of total motels) have the surname Patel.

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post #92

I find this interesting, because my family used to take road trips all the time (annually in the '90s, less often since then), and we mostly stayed in motels that were part of national chains like Hampton Inn, La Quinta, Holiday Inn Express, Fairfield by Marriott, Best Western, etc., and I honestly don't recall the staff being Indian (since we mostly travelled through the Southeast, most of the employees we interacte…

My 100% of the staff is non-Indian. In fact, most of the franchise owner's staff is non-Indian.

Small, economy brands & independent motels can't afford to hire full-time employees or outside help. Also, most of the money you can make is by not hiring outside help.

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post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

indians were categorized as white for govt purposes in the US until the late 70s when they petitioned the government for a census category so they could benefit from affirmative action. same deal as the new MENA category

Indians don't have their own census category now, either. They're officially considered Asian; the census lumps them in with East Asians and Southeast Asians.

1980 Census

This year added several options to the race question, including Vietnamese, Indian (East), Guamanian, Samoan, and re-added Aleut.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_Un...

Re: How Indian Americans Came to Run Half of All U.S. Motels

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The story totally checks out. I moved from Boston to San Francisco in 2006, did a cross country drive. Back then we only had flip phone, so I would use my laptop and The Microsoft Streets software with a GPS. Every day, around 3 PM, I would pull in into the parking lot and locate a Motel 30 or 40 miles ahead using the GPS and Streets software, and call and book a room. 8 out of 11 motels I stayed in were owned and ru…

The Gujaratis are known for being very enterprising folks. It is culturally respected in the community to have your own business, whether it is a small corner shop or the biggest corporation. India’s biggest private corporations (Reliance Industries) was started by a Gujju. Gandhi and the current PM also hail from this state.
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