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Re: EU to move ahead with cultural quotas for streaming services

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Also the EU wants Netflix to offer the same content anywhere, so 30% of it will have to be from Germany, 30% from France, 30% from Belgium, 30% from Spain etc. EU, ‘this one goes to 360%’

> Also the EU wants Netflix to offer the same content anywhere

Literally the only way to do that would be for Netflix to take down movies for which they haven't secured the rights in every EU country. That'd mean they have to drop a massive chunk of their catalog, because media rights are sold piecemeal, so there are very few things for which they have distribution rights in every EU country[0].

[0] Ironically, this includes Netflix originals.

Re: EU to move ahead with cultural quotas for streaming services

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post #118

This is the side of the EU that foreigners usually don't see. This is the reason there are movements for quitting in every member state (with varying levels of success). The isolationism EU is beginning to display is starting to worry even me and the alternative is a bunch of UKIP-like nationalist which I am not really a big fan of.

I'm not sure it's entirely wrong when you have a heavyweight like the US/Hollywood that dominates the global entertainment industry. I don't know about you but the content coming out of Hollywood is depressingly dumb. This may be a hamfisted attempt at addressing that but the problem remains. The loudest voice in the room is US/Hollywood. Entertainment is often our "first contact" with ideas beyond our normal areas of expertise and if you entrust that to Hollywood, you're going to have a lot of misinformed people. I mean just look at how computer scientists and engineers are portrayed in Hollywood... if I had my choice I wouldn't want Hollywood portraying/writing about me and my peers.

Re: EU to move ahead with cultural quotas for streaming services

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> The proposals will require that streaming services give over at least 30% of their on-demand catalogues to original productions made in each EU country where a service is provided (individual EU Member States could choose to set the content bar even higher, at 40%) 30% for each country seems really high to me. As usual for regulation, there will likely be high unintended consequences. While in the US and elsewhere…

I was wondering if this could be applied to music streaming services in the future.

Forcing Spotify or Apple Music to make at least 30% of their content locally produced music seems... Exceedingly high.

Re: EU to move ahead with cultural quotas for streaming services

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I'd be fine with "30% from any country in the EU", but "30% from my country" is torture. I mean, have you even seen what movies Germany produces? If I could stand any of that rubbish, I'd be watching cable TV, not Netflix.

You mean "The lives of others"? "Run Lola Run"? "Goodbye Lenin"? "Wir Kinder Vom Bahnhof Zoo"? "Fack ju Göhte"? I know there are bad German movies. But with the biggest film studio in Europe being right next to Berlin, I think saying "there are no good German movies" it's a bit too much. The fact alone that there are decent German movies for children seems to me like a plus - I probably won't go see "Das schönste Mäd…

That is less than 10 movies and Wir kinder.. is old enough that my mother saw it in the cinema as a youngster. You might find a few more, but "Der Untergang" is on Netflix, not because they were required to, but because it is good.

I fear for the same as a Dane, Danish movies are crap.

Re: EU to move ahead with cultural quotas for streaming services

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> May I ask you a few quick questions on how you see that happening? Sure, fire away here too, I'll try to answer as best as I think it. (Also in what sense do you mean "how I see that happening"? Technically? Legally? UI-wise?)

How do you see that happening, experience wise. Say one is in a bubble of Hollywood action/romance movies, or NY Times bestsellers. When this person hears about something different from somebody else, he thinks Meh. What/how would they need to be introduced to a new movie/book that is outside their culture, but several people thought it was good? Any other thoughts? Thanks :)

- The presentation should have to be up to 2018 standards, e.g. not like Project Gutemberg or some relic from the past. Nice photos and illustrations, quotes, etc.

- Leverage the hits: e.g. Joe Nesbo has had his books made into major movies, Uberto Eco is famous worldwide, European TV series have been remade for the US market (e.g. Forbrydelsen -> The Killing), people know Fry and Laurie, and so on. One could promote those works at the first level, point to the originals, and then expand the recommendations of other works by the same authors, and then of similar authors and directors.

- Hijack on the popularity of certain themes in general (even Hollywood-inspired) culture. E.g. the recent remake of "Murder on the Orient Express" (not the best example popularity-wise, but will do for now), could be leveraged to promote works by Agatha Christi(and expand to more European crime fiction writers).

- Build the recommendation engine with a knowledge of mainstream/US/best-selling content as well -- not to promote it, but to let someone say e.g. "I enjoy John Grisham, what EU stuff should I read" and have the system recommended the relevant authors. Or "I enjoy this and this mainstream US comic" and they get a recommendation for some French graphic novel, for example.

- Excerpts and quotes from the works could be used in campaigns in places like Twitter, Pinterest, Facebook, etc to hook people in.

- It could start by building critical mass by appealing to and connecting the European and american more intellectual audiences who already consume these works in some kind of social media for smarties.

- Play into the "hipster" aspect of it, e.g. embrace smart/multi-cultural/open ended, as something cool to be (in an advertising perspective).

- Have content made by featured authors and directors directly for the website,

Some ideas from the top of my head

Re: EU to move ahead with cultural quotas for streaming services

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Everyone here actively despises the local film industry. We do not need to inflict Dutch television on the world. Thats torture. Good shows should earn their ratings, not be force fed- if your culture is so great France and Germany you wouldn't need these subsidies. Netflix is not a public broadcaster.

The problem with this line of thinking is that it will pretty much never be cost-efficient to make a German language movie with a limited market compared to a English movie. No matter how great it is. It is even worse for smaller countries like Finland or Netherlands. There will NEVER be comparable ratings for a Dutch comedy show vs Modern Family with a global audience. So unless regulated, investments will shift to the lowest common denominator, ie. English.

Re: EU to move ahead with cultural quotas for streaming services

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Protectionism is bad in all its forms. Content providers want to capture the local market and should include local productions -- if that's what the subscribers want. Mandating a quota is backwards. If a state wants to sponsor work and make it available at low costs I'm sure content services would jump to provide it. All this does is either increase cost or reduce available selection in the affected markets. If the s…

Protectionism is bad in all its forms. I read a book once that made an interesting point: 1. English-language films make more money than French-language films because there are more English speakers than French speakers. 2. Because of this, an English-language film can profitably have a bigger budget, allowing better production values. 3. Once a film has been produced, the rights will get sold in every foreign market…

The obvious solution is to make a movie in France in English.

Re: EU to move ahead with cultural quotas for streaming services

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post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> conditioned from childhood That's parents job. Just as it is important that you give healthy food to your children and don't just let them eat fast food even if they would prefer it, same goes for entertainment. But the state shouldn't set a limit on burgers per month for you.

> That's parents job Kids aren't solely cultivated (not sure if that's the best term) by their parents (unless in Deliverance style situations). They are also cultivated (and even more so) by school, tv, parents friends, their friends, the internet, social media, advertisement, society at large, and so on. > But the state shouldn't set a limit on burgers per month for you. No, unless I vote for it to do so. As a Euro…

I remember living under communism (the logical end-road of your "social democracy"). The state would decide how many products to build and what kind. In the end we didn’t have any toilet paper so we wiped our asses with cultural newspapers. It was ok, because we didn’t have any food either...

Re: EU to move ahead with cultural quotas for streaming services

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not something that comes (only) from the EU; at least France and Spain have similar local "cultural protection" laws that were not imposed by EU. So it is more of a European, rather than Europeanunionean, way of thinking: local "culture" (as in, cultural product industry) is a public good and thus needs to be protected by the state. Not that I agree with it...

> So it is more of a European, rather than Europeanunionean, way of thinking If one appears to beget the other they might as well be the same. I sympathize with countries desiring sovereignty on these issues that should remain at the country level.

You can't have your cake and eat it too: either you want sovereignty, or you want to be part of a bigger system in which you cannot always get your way. This happens at EU level, at country level, at regional level, at city level, and a district level. It is part of how societies work.

But more specifically, what I was arguing is that these kinds of decisions are not why people want to leave (sannee's point above). People want to leave due to poor people not having had adequate political representation for a long time, thus begetting populism when the financial crisis hit us. Not because of TV rules being agreed with other countries (sorry for the strawman, but it makes the point).

Re: EU to move ahead with cultural quotas for streaming services

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post #118

This is the side of the EU that foreigners usually don't see. This is the reason there are movements for quitting in every member state (with varying levels of success). The isolationism EU is beginning to display is starting to worry even me and the alternative is a bunch of UKIP-like nationalist which I am not really a big fan of.

I'm not sure it's entirely wrong when you have a heavyweight like the US/Hollywood that dominates the global entertainment industry. I don't know about you but the content coming out of Hollywood is depressingly dumb. This may be a hamfisted attempt at addressing that but the problem remains. The loudest voice in the room is US/Hollywood. Entertainment is often our "first contact" with ideas beyond our normal areas o…

But will you leave others the choice to watch what they want?
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