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Re: EU to move ahead with cultural quotas for streaming services

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post #118

This is the side of the EU that foreigners usually don't see. This is the reason there are movements for quitting in every member state (with varying levels of success). The isolationism EU is beginning to display is starting to worry even me and the alternative is a bunch of UKIP-like nationalist which I am not really a big fan of.

Interesting. What are you thoughts on DIEM 25?

Re: EU to move ahead with cultural quotas for streaming services

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post #118

This is the side of the EU that foreigners usually don't see. This is the reason there are movements for quitting in every member state (with varying levels of success). The isolationism EU is beginning to display is starting to worry even me and the alternative is a bunch of UKIP-like nationalist which I am not really a big fan of.

This isn't all that different from the "Canadian Content" regulations in Canadian broadcasting, which is probably a contributing factor to the disproportionate number of Canadian popular music artists.

Re: EU to move ahead with cultural quotas for streaming services

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post #118

This is the side of the EU that foreigners usually don't see. This is the reason there are movements for quitting in every member state (with varying levels of success). The isolationism EU is beginning to display is starting to worry even me and the alternative is a bunch of UKIP-like nationalist which I am not really a big fan of.

This is not something that comes (only) from the EU; at least France and Spain have similar local "cultural protection" laws that were not imposed by EU. So it is more of a European, rather than Europeanunionean, way of thinking: local "culture" (as in, cultural product industry) is a public good and thus needs to be protected by the state.

Not that I agree with it...

Re: EU to move ahead with cultural quotas for streaming services

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post #118

This is the side of the EU that foreigners usually don't see. This is the reason there are movements for quitting in every member state (with varying levels of success). The isolationism EU is beginning to display is starting to worry even me and the alternative is a bunch of UKIP-like nationalist which I am not really a big fan of.

The push for forced support of local tv production on the big streaming services is coming mainly from leave type right-wing parties though.

Re: EU to move ahead with cultural quotas for streaming services

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post #112

I'd be fine with "30% from any country in the EU", but "30% from my country" is torture. I mean, have you even seen what movies Germany produces? If I could stand any of that rubbish, I'd be watching cable TV, not Netflix.

You mean "The lives of others"? "Run Lola Run"? "Goodbye Lenin"? "Wir Kinder Vom Bahnhof Zoo"? "Fack ju Göhte"?

I know there are bad German movies. But with the biggest film studio in Europe being right next to Berlin, I think saying "there are no good German movies" it's a bit too much. The fact alone that there are decent German movies for children seems to me like a plus - I probably won't go see "Das schönste Mädchen der Welt", but I'm not opposed to it.

Disclaimer: I liked Danni Lowinski, and would like to watch Deutschland 83.

Re: EU to move ahead with cultural quotas for streaming services

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Have you ever seen films from your own country? I, as a Dutchman have, and I can say that most of them suck and there's a very good reason you don't see them on stuff like Netflix. This also seems like a recursive problem. US/Hollywood have huge marketing power, thanks to this, they can ensure that the movie they produce should make a decent profit, they can then invest more money to make better production. On the…

India managed to overcome this allegedly insurmountable American influence and have "the world's largest film industry in terms of film production"[1]. European countries would just rather take the easier route and bully companies into trying to force the matter instead of creating conditions that would allow it to happen naturally. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bollywood

>India managed to overcome this allegedly insurmountable American influence and have "the world's largest film industry in terms of film production"

India never had that American influence problem because it's a much more insular culture, and had many illiterate people in the near past, who wanted to just relax with a movie that shows people in their likeness and plays some nice local songs. Their average popular movies are even more formulaic and explosion/romance driven than Americans. They're also quite large. This created and maintains a stronghold against foreign movies. African countries have also managed the same feat (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nollywood ) and for much of the same reasons.

>European countries would just rather take the easier route and bully companies into trying to force the matter instead of creating conditions that would allow it to happen naturally

In Europe we don't consider companies "people", so we don't believe in "bullying" them. Seems that some cultures care for companies and their profits more than they care for culture and people.

Re: EU to move ahead with cultural quotas for streaming services

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post #7

> The proposals will require that streaming services give over at least 30% of their on-demand catalogues to original productions made in each EU country where a service is provided (individual EU Member States could choose to set the content bar even higher, at 40%) 30% for each country seems really high to me. As usual for regulation, there will likely be high unintended consequences. While in the US and elsewhere…

I find this understanding unlikely.

One of the rules of EU is that you should as much as possible not treat foreign europeans any differently than national ones. So german, belgian, french, whatever content should pass the bar for local content anywhere in the EU.

Re: EU to move ahead with cultural quotas for streaming services

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Everyone here actively despises the local film industry. We do not need to inflict Dutch television on the world. Thats torture. Good shows should earn their ratings, not be force fed- if your culture is so great France and Germany you wouldn't need these subsidies. Netflix is not a public broadcaster.

When good shows are made, everyone wants to see them, and streaming services jump to offer them. There are a lot of examples of this working, such as Netflix buying Spain's "Money heist / la casa de papel", or german "Babylon Berlin", or belgian "Tabula Rasa".

Also Netflix is actually opening a European production hub thus investing in local culture the good way.

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