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Total Recall: LeBron's mighty mind (2014)

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Re: Total Recall: LeBron's mighty mind (2014)

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Post by pitt1980 »

throwawaymath wrote: post #34
pitt1980 wrote: post #31

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supposedly Eidetic memory is somewhat common in childhood "Eidetic memory is typically found only in young children, as it is virtually nonexistent in adults.[5][6] Hudmon stated, "Children possess far more capacity for eidetic imagery than adults, suggesting that a developmental change (such as acquiring language skills) may disrupt the potential for eidetic imagery."[6] Eidetic memory has been found in 2 to 10 perc…

> one way to think about what education is, is process for taking your perceptual inputs, and putting them on an abstract lattice this is an obviously useful process in all sorts of ways but it probably does change the way you both notice things, and remember things The problem with this is you're inducing a hypothesis via intuition and analogy. I don't see any reason to think education has the deleterious effect you…

I'm confused by "you're inducing a hypothesis via intuition and analogy"

how else do you create a hypothesis?

You're correct that I haven't done a peer reviewed study on the question.

(fwiw, I suspect we're talking around each other, I'm not sure I disagree that educational achievement trains memory that fits on an abstract lattice, what I question, is memory that doesn't fit on a lattice, either way, yes, its all mere speculation on my part, imo that's the sort of thing internet message boards are good for)

Re: Total Recall: LeBron's mighty mind (2014)

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Post by ehaliewicz2 »

prmph wrote: post #22
maxxxxx wrote: post #19

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I have heard the same about the top Formula One Drivers. After the race they can recall almost every turn of the race in detail with their engineers. It takes hours to get all the information across. It makes sense that a good memory is big asset for an athlete. It allows them to replay a situation and learn from it. When I did martial arts my memory of a fight was pretty vague so I couldn't analyze and learn much.

I've noticed this ability as well in other fields: it seems those at the very top (chess grandmasters, piano virtuosos, etc) have an incredible ability to remember the details of performances in their field. The question is: is it their existing recall abilities that (in part) helps them to get to the top, or is it the process of becoming that good that greatly enhances their memory?

I'm sure a large part of it is improving your memory, but the very best in the world probably had some advantage to start off with.

For example, if you start off learning a language, there are all kinds of tiny details to pronunciation that you don't even recognize and could never recall afterwards. If you try to repeat what someone's said, you might miss a lot of those details.

But if you've become fluent at a native (or near-native) level, you've trained your brain to subconsciously recognize and focus on all of those details and can recite something that someone's said perfectly.

Re: Total Recall: LeBron's mighty mind (2014)

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Post by dopeboy »

philwelch wrote: post #25
ssharp wrote: post #8

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Besides his physical and mental talents, he's also an incredibly dedicated worker and has also embraced a lot of innovative playing, training and recovery ideas that has helped him extend his peak physical years beyond where they normally are. One of the surprising things I heard about last year was that the newer basketball cameras that record all aspects of play rated him as one of (maybe even the) slowest players…

LeBron also has very healthy body mechanics, which is an underrated part of durability. The difference between more durable and less durable players isn’t only down to conditioning and training and genetics; an NBA player jumps and lands, cuts and stops, and generally subjects his body to the limits of what it can withstand. Constantly and repeatedly doing that in biomechanically vulnerable ways (bracing the knees in…

To see this point proven, watch video of Derrick Rose's movements and landings.

While we're on the topic, I wonder if anyone has started using computer vision to inform players of their movements and avoid injuries.

Re: Total Recall: LeBron's mighty mind (2014)

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Post by philwelch »

fenomas wrote: post #27
beebmam wrote: post #12

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Wow, this IS truly incredible. This reminds me of how many chess grandmasters can easily recall and recite and visualize every move in a game from years past. I think James deserves a little more credit than just being on par with chess GMs: to memorize something so complex as a basketball game without even attempting to commit it to memory speaks to his extraordinary intelligence.

You probably already know this, but of course the companion trivia there is that chess masters' incredible recall for board positions only works for realistic layouts - when tested on randomly placed pieces, masters apparently remember them no better than beginners. If basketball is analogous, one could suppose that (A) there may not be anything special about LeBron's memory per se - e.g. he might remember the plays…

While true, there are also stories about LeBron having remarkable memory for non-basketball-related details, like remembering the color of the shirt a journalist was wearing the first time they met several years ago.

Re: Total Recall: LeBron's mighty mind (2014)

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Post by philwelch »

jl2718 wrote: post #13

First-off, I think this is interesting because athletes have hit the point of diminishing returns on physical abilities, and now the games are turning mental in every sport. The NBA has done a great job at turning strategy into a spectator sport. In the NFL, the possibly single worst athlete in the quarterback position is the best ever. They are changing too. I’m not sure MLB can adapt. I wonder whether this doesn’t…

Eh...the NBA still has a ton of great athletes with dubious basketball IQ (Westbrook) and, conversely, guys with great basketball IQ who are held back by their limited physical skills (Ben Simmons, Rajon Rondo, dare I say Lonzo Ball). The best players are generally the ones who combine basketball IQ with the hand-eye coordination needed to sink jumpshots from anywhere or the athleticism to go over, through, or past the opponent at will.

Re: Total Recall: LeBron's mighty mind (2014)

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Post by philwelch »

dopeboy wrote: post #43
philwelch wrote: post #25

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LeBron also has very healthy body mechanics, which is an underrated part of durability. The difference between more durable and less durable players isn’t only down to conditioning and training and genetics; an NBA player jumps and lands, cuts and stops, and generally subjects his body to the limits of what it can withstand. Constantly and repeatedly doing that in biomechanically vulnerable ways (bracing the knees in…

To see this point proven, watch video of Derrick Rose's movements and landings. While we're on the topic, I wonder if anyone has started using computer vision to inform players of their movements and avoid injuries.

Here's a great breakdown of Rose's poor body mechanics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_rdO8OLHZo

Re: Total Recall: LeBron's mighty mind (2014)

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Post by philwelch »

matwood wrote: post #35
babesh wrote: post #7

He isn't smart enough to adjust his offensive game. His go to move is to lower his shoulder. The best defensive players and teams give way and then he is off balance and he tends to miss the shot. He has done that his entire career. See Durant and Iguodala's defense. Also his straight line drives are completely negated by a good shot blocker(s). See Tyson Chandler and the Mavericks. A more adaptable player would have…

> developed a runner Like the last second one that won them a playoff game last year? > a low post game Have you watched him play? He dominates the post, but is smart about it. If you put a small on him, he goes post. You put a big and he blows by for the dunk. Why take other players on at their strength?

Yeah, and he swept the Raptors by hitting turnaround fadeaway jump shots in the mid-post.

LeBron's versatility is amazing. Whenever someone criticizes him for relying on his driving ability too much, I'm reminded of a famous interview that Michael Jordan had, when the reporter asked him about the comparison with Clyde Drexler, who was a better three-point shooter. Jordan coldly replied, "Clyde Drexler is a better three-point shooter than I choose to be". And then he hit six threes in the first half of a Finals game against the Blazers in Drexler's face.

Re: Total Recall: LeBron's mighty mind (2014)

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Post by parsnips »

40acres wrote: post #11
babesh wrote: post #7

He isn't smart enough to adjust his offensive game. His go to move is to lower his shoulder. The best defensive players and teams give way and then he is off balance and he tends to miss the shot. He has done that his entire career. See Durant and Iguodala's defense. Also his straight line drives are completely negated by a good shot blocker(s). See Tyson Chandler and the Mavericks. A more adaptable player would have…

This is nonsense. LeBron has greatly improved his 3 point shooting over his career and in Miami he was able to develop a low post game.

>and in Miami he was able to develop a low post game.

After he couldn't post up 97 year old Shawn Marion, and 146 year old Jason Kidd.

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