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Apple to announce OS 10.7 (probably) on October 20

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Re: Apple to announce OS 10.7 (probably) on October 20

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Just dropping some speculation here, as many are wondering what Lion can possibly offer that's new (and I don't mean a fix, but new).

Touch. Deep integration with touch. As you see with the release of the Magic Trackpad, Apple is retiring the traditional mouse paradigm and moving on to versatile and complex gestures to aid in window management. Four finger swipe for expose and show desktop has been godsend for productivity, as has three fingers up and down for switching between h/m files in xcode. Let's not forget swipe to go back and forth in browsers, pinch to zoom, rotation, etc... None of which is possible with the standard mouse.

And peruse through Apple's touch gesture patent library and you will see that they haven't implemented a fraction of what they have patents to. You have neat stuff like three finger pinch (possible to close/hide a window, save), non-adjacent finger scroll (ex. thumb and ring finger, note that Magic Trackpad is big enough for this one, but existing options on MBP are not), and several others involving rotation and unconventional finger combos. Expect for these gestures to be baked deeply into the new iMovie, iPhoto, and iTunes. Seriously, can you imagine alternate paradigms for simply grabbing video from a bin once you account for different numbers of fingers involved in the drag?

A preview of Lion with these features will allow them to sell the next generation MBP with a new, much larger trackpad to accommodate the new focus on touch and touch gestures. If Apple scores a hit with this new focus on touch, it will be another competitive headache for thin, underpowered clients that serve up web content and can't handle advanced video and photo editing, not to mention lack large surface areas for touch gesturing.

What's in it for Apple:

If you think about this from a competitive standpoint, most of Apple's competitors want to lift computing into the cloud--Google with Chrome OS, HP with WebOS, and even MSFT with Ballmer's pronouncements of "cloud speed". Apple's strategy, and profits, are vested in adding weights to computing to take advantage of powerful, local, GPU and CPU intensive tasks, thus slowing, or even reversing the shift towards browsers and web applications, in keeping us grounded in powerful, local machines. If Apple finally figures out a way to get your mom editing video with powerful and intuitive new touch gestures, how is a web application going to respond to this from the confines of a browser? How is Microsoft going to coordinate with clone makers to agree on standard sizes and performance of computationally complex multi-touch trackpads? Touch and media editing all the way.

Re: Apple to announce OS 10.7 (probably) on October 20

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When I select "restart" (edit: at least when installing system updates), the computer should save application state and reboot instead of every application asking me stupid questions like "are you REALLY sure you want to quit web browsing?". I want to select "restart", go to the kitchen, get my dinner, come back, and the computer be rebooted and my applications restored the way they were before. Also, the developer t…

Yeah, I'm going back to Linux because I realize I miss apt-get more than all the goodies and bling OS X brings to the table. I checked and Ubuntu 10.10 will install happily on My Macbook 5,2 and I've checked my app list: Skype for Linux? check, Spotify for Linux? check, OpenOffice? duh, Chrome? yup, Tweetdeck? there's Gwibber, the list goes on ... Textmate I'll miss and Preview.app is super-duper but apt-get install…

To each their own, but Fink is literally a port of dpkg/dselect/apt-get to OS X.

Re: Apple to announce OS 10.7 (probably) on October 20

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Given that OSX has got to a fairly stable point, what would you want to see in a new version of OSX that would make you want to upgrade?

Facetime compatible iChat would be nice. More gestures for the magic trackpad. Improved Time machine (I want all to see all previous versions of a particular file, not row through a timeline of a directory.). Improved automation (Automator is still not natural enough, lots of clicky dragging.). Frameworks start to encourage 3rd party applications to continuously auto-save like iOS apps. Don't want to see but will pro…

Facebook chat is actually available through Jabber. Its not obvious, though.

http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=2010021113085350...

Re: Apple to announce OS 10.7 (probably) on October 20

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We need to get our iPad looked at, too. It constantly has problems, but my iPhone4 has no issues with local wifi connections. Between the iPad and the MBP, it's a crap shoot with connectivity. I also complain to my wife that she needs to stop going on and offline all the time. She doesn't appreciate that. =) Edit: For those that think no problem exists: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/04/ipad-wifi/

The bug mentioned in that Wired article was fixed in 3.2.1

There were other wifi related bugs, too, fixed in 3.2.2. And people still continue to be plagued with wifi issues with the iPad. Just go to the support forums and see.

Re: Apple to announce OS 10.7 (probably) on October 20

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In 2009, Apple added a video camera to the otherwise perfected iPod Nano. It was a sign: While one might have had to be quite prescient to imagine exactly what would come after it, it was obvious that Apple felt it had reached the end of what could be innovated with that form factor. The 2010 reinvention of the Nano was the only logical next step, at least for Apple. In 2009, Apple released Snow Leopard, whose emphas…

I have a suspicion that among other things, 10.7 will introduce some new conventions to the basic problems of window management (though I might be a little biased). For anyone not sure why mortenjock is biased, I recommend viewing his concept video 10GUI http://10gui.com/video/ The recent Magic Trackpad would tend to support your ideas here.

Wow that is so cool.

Re: Apple to announce OS 10.7 (probably) on October 20

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I tend to think that Retina on larger screens (iPad sized and larger) still a ways off for cost and gpu/battery reasons. I mean, doesn't a 30" monitor require dual-link capability to feed that resolution? A retina display on even an iPad sized screen would approach that type of resolution.

Dual link is DVI terminology isn't it? Apple use DisplayPort now. I'm not sure what bandwidth concerns devices with integrated screens have.

Oops. All I meant was that the processing of all those bits would eat a lot cycles. It came out incorrectly.

Re: Apple to announce OS 10.7 (probably) on October 20

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Maybe they will finally implement resolution-independent UI and release some Retina notebooks, who knows? There's already a higher-resolution 15" MBP available, would be great to see more of that.

I tend to think that Retina on larger screens (iPad sized and larger) still a ways off for cost and gpu/battery reasons. I mean, doesn't a 30" monitor require dual-link capability to feed that resolution? A retina display on even an iPad sized screen would approach that type of resolution.

A 15" laptop would need something like 4000×3000 pixel to equal the current iPhone’s resolution. (A 30" screen would accordingly need something like 8000×6000 pixel.)

I don’t even know whether that‘s currently feasible below the price of a small car or something like that. I wouldn’t expect 300+ ppi (“Retina“) screens anytime soon but resolution independence sure would be nice. (And later maybe some 200+ dpi screens.)

Re: Apple to announce OS 10.7 (probably) on October 20

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my guess is a touch display on a new mac book pro line

That's where I'd put my money, too. Several weeks ago I was sitting at my laptop and I wanted to scroll down on a web page I was reading. I instinctively wrapped my hand around the bottom-right corner of my monitor and brushed the screen with my thumb. A week later I was in an Apple store and a young kid walked up to an iMac and said "ooh, I bet this is a touch screen". It wasn't, of course, but it made me wonder if…

Touch screen is perfect for iPad, makes no sense for laptops (at least in current form factor). Also, MacBooks have wonderful multitouch trackpads…
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