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Apple to announce OS 10.7 (probably) on October 20

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Re: Apple to announce OS 10.7 (probably) on October 20

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Post by naz »

philwelch wrote: post #31
naz wrote: post #27

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That's what sleep is for. The primary use of restart is resetting your computer's state, so it would be counter-intuitive to retain it.

The primary use of restart is to install system updates. Having my applications' states reset only means I have to go in and restore their states by hand every time Apple decides to release a new version of Safari. I actually can't think of any time I've even used restart to reset my computer's state in the past couple of years.

Why do you think the updates require a restart? To reset the computer's state. I think the problem to be solved is updates requiring a restart (which is unacceptable in this day and age)

Re: Apple to announce OS 10.7 (probably) on October 20

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Post by [deleted] »

noahc wrote: post #24
jasonlotito wrote: post #15

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> Snow Leopard was all about the internals. God, they fubared that. I can't count the number of times my wife complained about Snow Leopard's constant WIFI problems. It's sad when my iPhone has better connectivity then her MBP.

I turn my WIFI on and off at lest 5 times a day.

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Re: Apple to announce OS 10.7 (probably) on October 20

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Post by wtallis »

kenjackson wrote: post #56
steveklabnik wrote: post #38

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> not as quick and convenient Do you press ⌘-Space to open Spotlight? I'm not sure how it can get more convenient...

Well on Windows 7 it is just one button (the Windows button), so I guess the Spotlight equivalent is twice as inconvenient. ;-)

The two buttons needed to trigger spotlight are right next to each other, so you can bring it up by rolling your thumb from one to the other, which is at most 50% more inconvenient than just pressing the first button.

Re: Apple to announce OS 10.7 (probably) on October 20

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Post by frou_dh »

slantyyz wrote: post #67
cemregr wrote: post #20

Maybe they will finally implement resolution-independent UI and release some Retina notebooks, who knows? There's already a higher-resolution 15" MBP available, would be great to see more of that.

I tend to think that Retina on larger screens (iPad sized and larger) still a ways off for cost and gpu/battery reasons. I mean, doesn't a 30" monitor require dual-link capability to feed that resolution? A retina display on even an iPad sized screen would approach that type of resolution.

Dual link is DVI terminology isn't it? Apple use DisplayPort now. I'm not sure what bandwidth concerns devices with integrated screens have.

Re: Apple to announce OS 10.7 (probably) on October 20

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Post by philwelch »

naz wrote: post #71
philwelch wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The primary use of restart is to install system updates. Having my applications' states reset only means I have to go in and restore their states by hand every time Apple decides to release a new version of Safari. I actually can't think of any time I've even used restart to reset my computer's state in the past couple of years.

Why do you think the updates require a restart? To reset the computer's state. I think the problem to be solved is updates requiring a restart (which is unacceptable in this day and age)

Yes, I have some idea of how computers work. And it would be fantastic if the OS could hot-load patches instead of needing a reboot.

It would also be acceptable if Safari could just remember what tabs I had open and reopen them instead of asking me stupid questions when I run Software Update and then canceling restart when I don't answer.

Re: Apple to announce OS 10.7 (probably) on October 20

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Post by msbarnett »

jasonlotito wrote: post #29
noahc wrote: post #24

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I turn my WIFI on and off at lest 5 times a day.

We need to get our iPad looked at, too. It constantly has problems, but my iPhone4 has no issues with local wifi connections. Between the iPad and the MBP, it's a crap shoot with connectivity. I also complain to my wife that she needs to stop going on and offline all the time. She doesn't appreciate that. =) Edit: For those that think no problem exists: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/04/ipad-wifi/

The bug mentioned in that Wired article was fixed in 3.2.1

Re: Apple to announce OS 10.7 (probably) on October 20

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Post by kenjackson »

wtallis wrote: post #74
kenjackson wrote: post #56

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Well on Windows 7 it is just one button (the Windows button), so I guess the Spotlight equivalent is twice as inconvenient. ;-)

The two buttons needed to trigger spotlight are right next to each other, so you can bring it up by rolling your thumb from one to the other, which is at most 50% more inconvenient than just pressing the first button.

Can you press them both at the same time if you have a fat thumb?

Re: Apple to announce OS 10.7 (probably) on October 20

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Post by wtallis »

slantyyz wrote: post #67
cemregr wrote: post #20

Maybe they will finally implement resolution-independent UI and release some Retina notebooks, who knows? There's already a higher-resolution 15" MBP available, would be great to see more of that.

I tend to think that Retina on larger screens (iPad sized and larger) still a ways off for cost and gpu/battery reasons. I mean, doesn't a 30" monitor require dual-link capability to feed that resolution? A retina display on even an iPad sized screen would approach that type of resolution.

The dual-link thing only applies to DVI, which Apple doesn't even use externally anymore, let alone internally. Also, the success of AMD's Eyefinity shows that modern GPUs can handle very high resolutions effortlessly for anything other than complicated 3d rendering. 2D and simple 3D (of the sort that might be used by a compositing window manager) are too easy.

The only limitation is that producing very high DPI displays in large sizes with acceptable defect rates is extremely expensive.

Re: Apple to announce OS 10.7 (probably) on October 20

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Post by msbarnett »

philwelch wrote: post #70
jonhendry wrote: post #66

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I'd think that could cause problems if the system frameworks or other libraries are changed by the update, but the apps are restored into RAM from the pre-update memory image.

Yeah you would want it to be a little smarter than I described, but not too smart. Web browsers would remember their tabs and windows, office programs would autosave and autoload temp files, etc. I imagine there's a hundred tiny problems which make it infeasible, and it would require API changes, but damn would it be nice.

Mostly it would require all of the apps you use to release new versions that support checkpointing their internal state when asked to by the OS.

There's basically no way for the OS to do that for them, they'd each have to implement it themselves in a manner specific to the application.

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