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For $450, a Japanese Company Will Quit Your Job for You

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Re: For $450, a Japanese Company Will Quit Your Job for You

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Post by ASalazarMX »

topmonk wrote: post #31

This sort of thing seems really sad to me, From the site linked in the article, "Proper Etiquette for Quitting Your Job in Japan": Show your appreciation to every member of the company, or at least those you have been working with directly. Sweets, small gifts such as mugs, tea sets, a thank-you card or other similar items will be appreciated by everyone. Prepare those for your last day on the job. Usually, Japanese…

I'd dread leaving if this was required to leave where I work. I've went to a restaurant in a group to say goodbye to someone, but this is too much.

Re: For $450, a Japanese Company Will Quit Your Job for You

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Post by refoundglory »

nmstoker wrote: post #72
sofon wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think like most "weird Japan" articles this one is being mischaracterised somewhat. It is often somewhat difficult in Japan to get your legal entitlement when leaving a so called "black" company. They might not easily pay out your remaining holiday, or they might use "power harassment" to otherwise make your exit process difficult. So I can see that a company like this, while not providing legal services, removes t…

Surely they're even less likely to uphold their legal duties if you signal that you haven't got the courage to turn up in person.

A company that quits jobs as a product probably also has strong familiarity with the relevant laws and a staff lawyer.

Re: For $450, a Japanese Company Will Quit Your Job for You

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Post by jonawesomegreen »

tinco wrote: post #17

Resigning seems hard, but it's a little bit like giving regular feedback in my opinion. First of all it's best done face to face, because you don't want to be misunderstood, and you want to give the other party a fair chance at replying. Second, you give the compliment sandwich. You start out with thanking them for the opportunity (any job is an opportunity, no matter how shitty it was, you made money and you learned…

> Second, you give the compliment sandwich.

I've heard this called the shit sandwich. Good news, bad news, good news. Helps to break unpleasant news in all kinds of situations.

Re: For $450, a Japanese Company Will Quit Your Job for You

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Post by gknoy »

lovich wrote: post #38
chrisco255 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, ghosting a job is a terrible idea. If two parties invested any amount of time into a relationship, be an adult and own up to your responsibility to end it in a way that gives closure and respects the other person. A job is not a party, a job is a big commitment with a lot of value exchanged both ways. It also benefits you, more than you know.

Funny how the companies don't extend that courtesy to employees. When they're done with you, you're walked out the door. Sure, you should tell them you've quit and not ghost them, but why go to any extra lengths like a two weeks notice when they wouldnt do the same for you?

I've been at multiple companies where people get zero minutes notice of a layoff -- "Hey, come meet with me -- btw IT just took your machine." Despite that, the team I worked with were people I was close to, whose skill and wisdom I respect. It was as a courtesy to my _manager_ (and my team) that I gave N>=2 weeks notice. After all, every single one of these people are people I would love to work with again, and I'd like to preserve those good work relationships.

I've been very lucky to never have a boss or team that I didn't feel that way about.

Re: For $450, a Japanese Company Will Quit Your Job for You

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Post by antoniuschan99 »

Nadya wrote: post #74
ptero wrote: post #43

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When those niceties are not a free choice, but "strongly encouraged" by management, they quickly stop being nice. For a person who spent a lifetime at the firm (which used to be pretty common in Japan) and is retiring from work altogether, they may be a warm touch. For someone who hates the job and wants to leave, maybe not so much. Not burning bridges is always a good idea, but I can understand avoiding long, script…

>When those niceties are not a free choice, but "strongly encouraged" by management, they quickly stop being nice. It isn't about being nice though - it's about giving the appearance of nice. If everyone is being nice and courteous to one another for the sake of group harmony, then I think it is good. I can understand why many people would be irritated by it, but then this kind of culture isn't for them. I visit Japa…

That's the love hate relationship with Japan.

When I visited there the first time I thought wow everyone is so friendly and the customer service is great!

But the more I visited and spoke with my friends who live there, realize that a lot of it is just to put up a face because that is what society there requires them to do.

On a personal level it is quite sad in a way, but I also wish the customer service would be like that everywhere else in the world.

Re: For $450, a Japanese Company Will Quit Your Job for You

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Post by 0xcafecafe »

throwaway6789 wrote: post #44
0xcafecafe wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On what legal grounds are they asking you to pay them money? Did you sign a bond or something similar on joining? I have heard anecdata of that not being enforceable.

Company HR will ask you to sign a bond once you get selected in the visa lottery. We have to sign this bond if we want them to go ahead with our H1B process. This is different from the bond they have for freshers (which usually lasts for 2 years at the start of your career). Once we sign this bond, we have to accept whatever salary they offer for our onsite assignment (deputation to US). People won't even know their…

>> People won't even know their US salary until 1 or 2 days before travel

That is messed up. Why is that "service letter" that valuable?

On a side note, as an H1B holder, I am really happy with a current administration's crackdown on work visa abuse. Companies like yours seriously need to be dealt with.

Re: For $450, a Japanese Company Will Quit Your Job for You

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Post by twblalock »

antoniuschan99 wrote: post #85
Nadya wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>When those niceties are not a free choice, but "strongly encouraged" by management, they quickly stop being nice. It isn't about being nice though - it's about giving the appearance of nice. If everyone is being nice and courteous to one another for the sake of group harmony, then I think it is good. I can understand why many people would be irritated by it, but then this kind of culture isn't for them. I visit Japa…

That's the love hate relationship with Japan. When I visited there the first time I thought wow everyone is so friendly and the customer service is great! But the more I visited and spoke with my friends who live there, realize that a lot of it is just to put up a face because that is what society there requires them to do. On a personal level it is quite sad in a way, but I also wish the customer service would be li…

I dont see why it’s sad. They figured out that being nice to people, even when they don’t feel like being nice, makes society run better.

Re: For $450, a Japanese Company Will Quit Your Job for You

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Post by s73v3r_ »

tokyodude wrote: post #13

I'm sure this is similar in other cultures but Japan still has a strong attitude that you're lucky to have a job. Contrast that to us (myself included) spoiled Silicon Valley type engineer who gets job offers often and companies trying to entice us with free food, game rooms, etc... From that, people who have a job in Japan often feel obligated as in "You gave my a job and made it possible to live my life. You invest…

I'm sorry, but I absolutely cannot get behind any of this "spoiled engineer" stuff. Mainly because employers here, not completely in tech but in general in the US are shit, and treat their staff like shit. That "You gave my a job and made it possible to live my life. You invested N years in training me. I'm now responsible for various parts of your business." doesn't apply here, because most employers simply don't do that.

Re: For $450, a Japanese Company Will Quit Your Job for You

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Post by jiveturkey »

rlander wrote: post #76

It has to go both ways, though. At my last job, when I first talked to the CTO (my boss) about leaving, he asked me to think about it and talk again the next day. The next day he postponed the meeting. Then, at the day of the meeting, he was out of the office. It had been 5 days since the first talk so I chose to escalate the matter and, in an Arrested-Development-episode kind of situation, I learned that the CEO and…

I have to know ... did you quit? What happened next?
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