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For $450, a Japanese Company Will Quit Your Job for You

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Re: For $450, a Japanese Company Will Quit Your Job for You

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Post by topmonk »

This sort of thing seems really sad to me,

From the site linked in the article, "Proper Etiquette for Quitting Your Job in Japan":

Show your appreciation to every member of the company, or at least those you have been working with directly. Sweets, small gifts such as mugs, tea sets, a thank-you card or other similar items will be appreciated by everyone. Prepare those for your last day on the job. Usually, Japanese companies will see you off by hosting a small party and presenting you with a flower bouquet, so having something to give in return always makes a good impression. You may also be asked to give a speech, so prepare a few farewell words just in case—but keep it short and sweet.

Skipping these niceties in order to save embarrassment makes the world a little colder.

Re: For $450, a Japanese Company Will Quit Your Job for You

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Post by throwaway6789 »

auslander wrote: post #30

In my culture, quitting is a rewarding experience, feels good to say fuck you and your corporate toxic waste disaster, I had enough :)

In my country (India), quitting is a nightmare, especially in the IT consultancies. We have to serve a 3 months notice period. HRs and managers will threaten you (had multiple personal experiences). Then if you somehow quit, you are still at the mercy of previous manager and HR for service (experience) letter, which is needed for future jobs.

If you are on H1B, quitting can be even more challenging. Some companies that sponsor your visa from India wants you to serve a 3-12 months notice period. You cannot quit from US, you have to come back to India and quit. Otherwise, you have to pay several lakhs of rupees to the company. Its not just Indian companies, some US companies who are top in what they do in the world also do this.

I have been wanting to quit my current job working for the US division of an Indian IT company for a while now, but the thought of having the talk with my manager makes me anxious. Same manager threatened me last time with service letter, and he got what he wanted.

Re: For $450, a Japanese Company Will Quit Your Job for You

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Post by tonysdg »

tinco wrote: post #17

Resigning seems hard, but it's a little bit like giving regular feedback in my opinion. First of all it's best done face to face, because you don't want to be misunderstood, and you want to give the other party a fair chance at replying. Second, you give the compliment sandwich. You start out with thanking them for the opportunity (any job is an opportunity, no matter how shitty it was, you made money and you learned…

> First of all it's best done face to face, because you don't want to be misunderstood, and you want to give the other party a fair chance at replying.

You're making an assumption here: that one is leaving for amicable reasons (e.g., a better paying job elsewhere, a new career path, going back to school, etc.). There's another mindset that this sort of company is perfect for: "I don't give a hoot about my soon-to-be-ex-employer, I just want out."

In that case, a company like this might even be the better means of quitting -- as the saying goes, "if you don't have anything nice to say, say nothing at all." This company provides (IMO) a valuable ways of communicating without having to get personal feelings involved (at least for the departing employee).

Re: For $450, a Japanese Company Will Quit Your Job for You

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Post by mijamo »

lx3459683 wrote: post #28
tokyodude wrote: post #13

I'm sure this is similar in other cultures but Japan still has a strong attitude that you're lucky to have a job. Contrast that to us (myself included) spoiled Silicon Valley type engineer who gets job offers often and companies trying to entice us with free food, game rooms, etc... From that, people who have a job in Japan often feel obligated as in "You gave my a job and made it possible to live my life. You invest…

> I knew a person who wanted to quit, their boss said "no, you can't quit", and they stayed on for several more months [...] > I feel like the it's "me vs them" attitude I see so much on HN leads to worse outcomes I think your anecdote there proves otherwise. That person was asked to act against their own interest and did it out of feebleness. They didn't gain anything in return, it was not a equitable exchange where…

Is 25 yo elderly for you?

Because by 2030 there will certainly NOT be 85% of the population as elderly (well except if some new sickness kills all the people below 65 obviously).

There might be 35% though, which is already quite high but not unmanageable.

Re: For $450, a Japanese Company Will Quit Your Job for You

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Post by auslander »

throwaway6789 wrote: post #34
auslander wrote: post #30

In my culture, quitting is a rewarding experience, feels good to say fuck you and your corporate toxic waste disaster, I had enough :)

In my country (India), quitting is a nightmare, especially in the IT consultancies. We have to serve a 3 months notice period. HRs and managers will threaten you (had multiple personal experiences). Then if you somehow quit, you are still at the mercy of previous manager and HR for service (experience) letter, which is needed for future jobs. If you are on H1B, quitting can be even more challenging. Some companies th…

I'm in Australia. Notice to serve is 2-4 weeks, some get 'stress' sick leave for the period, but most don't. Threatening you how? In AU its criminal, nobody does that.

No letter is required here for the job, but references are. Just names and phone numbers of mates you worked with, checks are done on personal level, not through HR.

Re: For $450, a Japanese Company Will Quit Your Job for You

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Post by lovich »

chrisco255 wrote: post #15
therockspush wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you should quit more often and you'll get better at it. Thats my kind of advice. Quitting a job is like leaving a party. You probably didn't like everyone there. You probably avoided some people. That's where the Irish Goodbye shines. You get to leave without having to decide who to say goodbye to, and avoid long winded and shallow well wishes. As long as you aren't burning bridges, it actually benefits both sides…

No, ghosting a job is a terrible idea. If two parties invested any amount of time into a relationship, be an adult and own up to your responsibility to end it in a way that gives closure and respects the other person. A job is not a party, a job is a big commitment with a lot of value exchanged both ways. It also benefits you, more than you know.

Funny how the companies don't extend that courtesy to employees. When they're done with you, you're walked out the door. Sure, you should tell them you've quit and not ghost them, but why go to any extra lengths like a two weeks notice when they wouldnt do the same for you?

Re: For $450, a Japanese Company Will Quit Your Job for You

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Post by 0xcafecafe »

throwaway6789 wrote: post #34
auslander wrote: post #30

In my culture, quitting is a rewarding experience, feels good to say fuck you and your corporate toxic waste disaster, I had enough :)

In my country (India), quitting is a nightmare, especially in the IT consultancies. We have to serve a 3 months notice period. HRs and managers will threaten you (had multiple personal experiences). Then if you somehow quit, you are still at the mercy of previous manager and HR for service (experience) letter, which is needed for future jobs. If you are on H1B, quitting can be even more challenging. Some companies th…

On what legal grounds are they asking you to pay them money? Did you sign a bond or something similar on joining? I have heard anecdata of that not being enforceable.
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