For fuck's sake. Don't people like work at work anymore?
I suspect the problem is that people spend so much time at work they no longer have meaningful social lives outside of work.
Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture
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Not @AmericanChopper, but I can easily do that: 1. Believing in the near-absolute protection of free speech, even that which I find repugnant. 2. Acknowledging that sex differences are less than 100% culturally determined.
Believing in near-absolute protection of free speech is a lot easier when you're not the direct target of that "free speech." Not trying to assume your specific social location, but I know a lot of centrists who feel as you do, and they are white men. They might be repulsed by Nazi's who advocate ethnic cleansing, but I have to actually worry about what those people might do if they take power. I have a vested intere…
There’s also a difference between propaganda- especially foreign propaganda and free speech.
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There’s a massive difference between calculated misinformation with incitement to violence and having differing views.
> incitement to violence good point, do you feel this way about people who say 'punch a nazi'?
Yes. I don’t support the use of violence, and those who commit violent crimes should be prosecuted.
That being said, there is a very real difference in scale between a punch and assault with a lethal firearm.
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I grew up with the understanding that just because someone thought differently to me didn't mean they were wrong, and that it's OK for people to agree to disagree on some things while still remaining friends. This view has definitely gone out of vogue in the past 10 years.
Nothing has changed with regard to reasonable people reasonably disagreeing over reasonable differences. The Overton Window has changed for sure, but that's what it does. I struggle to think of any perspective that has moved out of the Overton Window over the past 10 years that I regret losing. If anything the Overton Window has moved backwards in recent years to better accommodate the Alex Joneses of the world, but…
Peoples' definition of 'reasonable' has absolutely changed. That's essentially what the Overton Window describes: The set of viewpoints which are considered 'reasonable'.
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#256I must be naive, because I cannot think of any political topic I would be discussing at work. How is this intolerance of right-wing ideology being expressed? What views specifically are being not-tolerated? Without these specifics, it's hard to understand the problem.
Usually, it's a conservative saying in front of his group of foreign co-workers "I think it's great that Trump is cracking down on all these foreign workers stealing our jobs".
Then they wonder why nobody wants to get lunch with them.
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#257Worked across very liberal and very conservative places in tech. Neither is pleasant. In my opinion, the American self-image and self-worth largely characterized by subscription to a political ideology is the problem. What bothers me is not dress codes,free meals,open offices,etc... But the very idea that a company would display or promote politics in the work place. Why are companies promoting "pride",donating to tr…
Absolutely. I completely disagree with the whole "bring your whole self to work". No! Bring your professional self to work. The counter-argument is that the causes relate to discrimination in the workforce. I.e., BLM needs to be supported because blacks are underrepresented in the American tech workforce. I disagree these need to be equivalent. It's possible for a company to promote hiring underrepresented minorities…
I think a lot of it stems from the dorm-ification of workplaces. Because the ROI is so good, employers want you to think of work as more of an institution that is heavily tied to your identity rather than just a place of business. You're not an employee at Google - you're a Googler. Once you leave, you are a Google Alumni. The end result is that your whole self is brought into work because the boundaries between personal and professional life are heavily eroded.
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I don't agree with this "professional self" thing. I think you should bring your whole self to work...but sure, as with everything that should come in moderation. We all go to work to do a job, after all. But maybe the core problem is that we can't just agree to disagree, on some things. We have gotten to the point, as a society, that if you are right of center (in some circles), you're batshit alt-right crazy. And t…
The downvote button is not a disagree button.
If you google for “downvote disagree hn” you’ll find references from mods that downvotes are valid for disagreement.
Disclaimer: haven’t voted anything in this thread
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#259Good for them. The structural change needed in our industry is for labor (or, to use a term we're apparently more comfortable with, "talent") to reassert itself, and for tech giants to reconcile themselves to the fact that they're accountable not just to their shareholders but to their employees. I hope this gets nasty, and that these FB employees ultimately find recourse in the NLRA. We forget that this industry is…
> The structural change needed in our industry is for labor (or, to use a term we're apparently more comfortable with, "talent") to reassert itself, and for tech giants to reconcile themselves to the fact that they're accountable not just to their shareholders but to their employees. My read on this was that the conflicts is as much between different groups within the "labor" than between management and labor. And wi…
Other employees requesting management to shut down a group asking for diversity suggests that there is a problem with diversity. They think that they're a majority and that management would be receptive to such a request.
Of course management refuse to take action. They're already under public scrutiny and it seems the rebels have just expressed their desire to speak, they haven't spoken yet, so it would be a little harsh to crush them so soon.
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The idea that a bunch of highly paid conservative software developers would unionize and get the NLRB involved is rich.
The history of unions in the US is based around highly paid incumbents forming “good ole boy networks” when people [of color] started migrating from agricultural areas into big cities and accepting lower pay. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1913/06/the-neg...
The history of almost every institution in America is that of non-blacks forming overt and covert alliances to arrest the progress of black people. For over a decade after the civil rights act, mortgage lending was organized to keep black people out of "white" neighborhoods. Shall we do away with the 30 year fixed mortgage?