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Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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wlll wrote: post #387
BillFranklin wrote: post #360

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Yes I agree. We don't know why Docker did this. It's not a particularly helpful thing to do, but it's just not that major an issue. I think many who posted on the Github issue will later regret the tone of their reaction. The treatment of the Docker employee was particularly nasty.

> We don't know why Docker did this. Well, yes and no. They've said why they've done this: > we've made this change to make sure we can improve the Docker for Mac and Windows experience for users moving forward. but at the same time, that explanation is clearly bollocks. Something I realised and find very helpful to remember is this: > If someone gives a reason for something, and the reason is clearly bullshit, then…

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Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by jpic »

callalex wrote: post #370
sbr464 wrote: post #286

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What does being open source and being altruistic have to do with each other? Personally, I think they enabled the login, so that new users would be able to use docker cloud, after installing docker, without needing to create an account. But still, being open source, allows you to verify security, be transparent about the product design/intentions, possibly extend or customize for your needs, etc. There is a lot of va…

> What does open source and being altruistic have to do with each other? Would you spend time out of your day to contribute to software that requires your users to sign up for someone else’s spam list?

I think contributors are going to compile it from source, to contribute ?

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by estesp »

raesene9 wrote: post #343
estesp wrote: post #325

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IBM Cloud has 1.11+containerd in production ( https://twitter.com/estesp/status/1029739247606145025 ), GKS has containerd as an "alpha" option during k8s cluster creation; Azure has stated direction to move to containerd for AKS (and their OSS deploy tool already supports containerd on cluster creation)

Cool, I guess I'm not surprised that IBM Cloud are leading the way there :) are you aware of any on-prem options shipping Containerd as a default so far?

I know our own on-prem (IBM Cloud Private) has containerd in testing and looking for a late year release where containerd is the primary engine. I'm not as up to speed on who else is offering on-prem K8s; but I do know minikube is also getting containerd integration as we speak.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by tripzilch »

wlll wrote: post #387
BillFranklin wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes I agree. We don't know why Docker did this. It's not a particularly helpful thing to do, but it's just not that major an issue. I think many who posted on the Github issue will later regret the tone of their reaction. The treatment of the Docker employee was particularly nasty.

> We don't know why Docker did this. Well, yes and no. They've said why they've done this: > we've made this change to make sure we can improve the Docker for Mac and Windows experience for users moving forward. but at the same time, that explanation is clearly bollocks. Something I realised and find very helpful to remember is this: > If someone gives a reason for something, and the reason is clearly bullshit, then…

> > we've made this change to make sure we can improve the Docker for Mac and Windows experience for users moving forward.

> but at the same time, that explanation is clearly bollocks

Whenever a corporation/someone explains their decision is to "improve the experience for our users" as the major reason, without explaining how exactly the decision relates to an improved experience, it's usually disingenuous[0].

I'm actually curious if there's counterexamples against this rule.

[0] bullshit makes the flowers grow

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by dahart »

tripzilch wrote: post #388
acjohnson55 wrote: post #382

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Two wrongs don't make a right. "Jerks", as a comment, is purely subtractive. We're all adults. There are plenty of critiques to their action and their defense. Let's use our words to make reasoned arguments rather than just lashing back.

"Jerk" is a pretty mild word to express dissatisfaction. I would maybe ascribe it to a mismatch in expected decorum, hardly call it toxic. Like, do you expect a church or an informal conversation among peers? Or if you will, a cathedral or a bazaar? :) And it was just one comment .. "We're all adults" goes both ways, let's not fall all over ourselves because of a little mildly bad word. Personally I don't think that'…

> “Jerk” is a pretty mild word to express dissatisfaction.

I certainly wouldn’t defend it. It’s not toxic because “jerk” is a bad or particularly strong word by itself, it’s toxic because calling someone a jerk is a personal attack, and it’s a judgement call that is purely mean spirited and doesn’t address any concerns. It doesn’t explain the frustration, it’s escalating things in a negative way, and it’s an insult. That is not a socially acceptable way to express dissatisfaction.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by conradfr »

colemickens wrote: post #85
ghayes wrote: post #14

Can anyone post an experience using rkt [0]. I'd love an alternative to using Docker for containers, though I'm not sure how well a community has evolved around rkt. [0] https://github.com/rkt/rkt

I'm surprised to see rkt mentioned so much. This thread has a very 2017 vibe and doesn't seem to account for m(any) of the changes in Kubernetes (CRI), docker/containerd, anything with regard to what RH is doing as they bet more and more on this space. Anyway... Red Hat's crio is a much more obvious contender in this space (my issues with RH "marketing" of crio vs containerd aside). A slightly different scope, but ev…

I cant believe people are still taking and using technologies from 2017 /s

To be fair this thread is also a testament to the sad state of affair in the container industry. How can you even chose a technology confidently? It seems even more madness than the JS world.

Sometimes I feel like a dinosaur with my Vagrant boxes and my dedicated server. With threads like this I feel great.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by kinghajj »

cdoxsey wrote: post #358
johnmarcus wrote: post #344

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Wtf are you talking about? I've been running docker in production for 3 years (30+ microservice platform) with litterallly 0 of those problems. Caching works, hence why you need to clean your disk space. And multi stage builds are awesome for many circumstances. It sounds like you don't really understand how to use docker all that well.

You've never had docker do anything weird in production? It didn't happen often, but we definitely had problems. We're running kubernetes clusters with several hundred nodes. Caching is very crude. When building its based on lines in the dockerfile which means adding a dependency means redownloading everything. You also can't mount a directory for builds. Multi stage builds are very limited in what they can do and of…

On our CI server, I setup an apt-cache container, and have a 'base' image derived from bitnami/minideb that sets the container's apt proxy to apt-cache. There's also Squid for HTTP caching, Archiva for Java artifacts, and Devpi for Python ones. So, sure, changes will require re-downloads, but they're pretty fast since everything's local. For getting multi-stage builds to work nicely, I just use a Makefile, defining separate targets for 'builder' images and 'runtime ones', and COPY artifacts from the former into the latter to form the final application images.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by Conan_Kudo »

presscast wrote: post #356
madmax96 wrote: post #334

I get it. I hate login-walls too. The level of toxicity in the github issue's conversation is so astounding that I must say something. People on the internet are people. I hope that we don't talk to people in "real life" the same as we do when we make toxic comments online. Complain, write letters/emails to Docker, make your opinion heard, etc. But remember that you are dealing with a fellow human-being, who has thei…

With all the complaining and name-calling, I'm quite surprised that nobody has proposed forking the project and maintaining a tracking-free version. Certainly, it would appear as if there's a demand for such a project.

The pressure to fork Docker went away over the last year with the development of podman[1] and buildah[2].

There's some interest in the idea of wrapping podman/buildah into something that can be consumed by Windows and Mac users in a similar fashion to how Docker is right now. But it'll take some time to pull that off.

[1]: https://github.com/containers/libpod

[2]: https://github.com/projectatomic/buildah

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by stevew20 »

madmax96 wrote: post #334

I get it. I hate login-walls too. The level of toxicity in the github issue's conversation is so astounding that I must say something. People on the internet are people. I hope that we don't talk to people in "real life" the same as we do when we make toxic comments online. Complain, write letters/emails to Docker, make your opinion heard, etc. But remember that you are dealing with a fellow human-being, who has thei…

It appears that people on GitHub hate bullshit. And why wouldn't they? Most of them are engineering types. Docker added bullshit to the action chain of acquiring their only product. Then to really seal the deal, they lied about the reasoning with some marketing fluff bullshit. On GitHub of all places. Things that engineers appreciate: good data, transparent systems, no bullshit. Docker is 0 for 3.

They have badly misread their users, and they are paying for it. There's not much else to the story.

Re: Docker cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store

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Post by jpic »

I'm really sorry for the proprietary OS users, that's really a shame that they have to give their email to docker inc. now, if they haven't already (docker hub anyone ?), everytime they install docker on a machine (once per install ?), all this crying its makes mes wanna cry :'(
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