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Re: What happens if you mistakenly apply for British citizenship?

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Post by Cyph0n »

ethbro wrote: post #147
Cyph0n wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Name one Kemalist leader in the Middle East who did not persecute a segment of the population, or allowed the opposition to participate in fair elections.

Nationalism by definition involves suppressing a segment of the population (usually opposed to the unifying party and/or allied with external parties). It's ugly but true. It also happened in the United States. In Britian. In France. In Germany. In Spain. In Italy. In ancient Greece and Rome. There are lighter / harsher ways of going about it, though the appropriateness of those is also defined by the opposition's ac…

> Nationalism by definition involves suppressing a segment of the population [...]

Great, but what does that have to do with my question, exactly? Were Kemalist leaders not nationalist autocrats?

Or are you trying to argue that nationalism is necessary for a country to transition into a democracy?

Re: What happens if you mistakenly apply for British citizenship?

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Post by Cyph0n »

mmsimanga wrote: post #139
sbmthakur wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Precisely. What proponents of "export democracy" forget is that it takes time to develop a democratic tradition. Democracy in the US and the UK is centuries old. In the case of France and Germany, it took bloodbaths to turn them into democracy in a short time. Not different to what happened in few Arab states. In India(my home nation), we have a 70 years old democracy. It's broken but functioning. And hopefully, we w…

You are right, but faced with a migration crisis such as the one we have what would you have the West (because that's where most migrants are heading) do?

For starters, we can (1) stop invading and destabilizing countries and (2) stop supporting autocracies and monarchies even if it goes against our short-term interest (e.g., access to oil).

Migration crises are the result of a chain of bad decisions made over the years. Avoiding them requires long-term thinking and leaders with foresight.

Re: What happens if you mistakenly apply for British citizenship?

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Post by xaranke »

victords wrote: post #117
xaranke wrote: post #94

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Some countries are starting to buck the trend; most notably Canada with Express Entry.

Can you elaborate on the recent developments regarding the Express entry in Canada?

Express Entry is Canada's program for granting permanent residency to workers in skills shortage areas (sort of like a H1B and Green Card combo).

It's a points-based system, so there's no guessing involved whether you'll make it; if you don't, you can easily see how you might improve your score.

You can apply from anywhere without first having spent time in Canada as a student or worker (though you do get more points if you do so), aren't dependent on an employer filing for you, and jump straight to permanent residency (akin to Green Card or Indefinite Leave to Remain) within 6 months, which is quicker than the 1+ year Green Card takes.

Unlike the Green Card, where you are from does not determine whether you'll get it; only your points do.

So far it seems to be a huge success; by providing a fair and predictable immigration policy for high-skilled labor instead of one fueled by FUD as in the US.

In general it seems like a system that is designed to help you succeed instead of trying to make you fail.

Edit: you asked about recent developments, Canada just introduced a visa called Global Talent Stream for tech workers that allows you to start working in Canada in 2 weeks, which is crazy-fast for a work visa. You then get more points under Express Entry and might be able to apply sooner.

Re: What happens if you mistakenly apply for British citizenship?

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Post by xaranke »

cm2187 wrote: post #132
xaranke wrote: post #88

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As someone who recently applied for a UK Visa, I was shocked that it cost around $120 for 6 months. A comparable US visa for 10 years costs around $160.

That's nothing. Citizenship costs over £1000.

Right, but that is a one-time fee. This is every time you want to visit the UK. Still expensive though.

Re: What happens if you mistakenly apply for British citizenship?

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Post by tinktank »

mmsimanga wrote: post #69
tinktank wrote: post #60

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It's much easier to hate on an individual in front of you than a president, policy, regime or country (and takes less effort). The bigger grind for me is that the same countries (UK in particular) hammering citizens from those countries welcome leaders with open arms and provide them with refuge, the ability to buy sheltered properties etc. The UKG loves nothing or nobody but money, I just wish they would be upfront…

100% with you. At some point, someone has to ask who/what is causing the immigrants. I know the answer isn't simple. Some will even say the West is caused all the issues in the first place. At some point though we have to start discussing concrete ways of changing the status quos and moving forward. Changing UK immigration laws might help a few of us get into the UK but not much will change in the home country. The s…

Yes, that's the point I'm making. The west maintains the status quo because it's of benefit to them, they just don't want any of the side-effects (including increased migration). Colonization hasn't gone away, it's just changed form.

Re: What happens if you mistakenly apply for British citizenship?

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Post by mmsimanga »

Cyph0n wrote: post #152
mmsimanga wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are right, but faced with a migration crisis such as the one we have what would you have the West (because that's where most migrants are heading) do?

For starters, we can (1) stop invading and destabilizing countries and (2) stop supporting autocracies and monarchies even if it goes against our short-term interest (e.g., access to oil). Migration crises are the result of a chain of bad decisions made over the years. Avoiding them requires long-term thinking and leaders with foresight.

Your point no 2) is in agreement with my parent post. In short, rather make life uncomfortable for the leaders that are causing people to migrate from their countries. Your point no 1) is something the voting public in the country (e.g. US or UK) need to make known to their public representatives.

You are right avoiding migration issues requires leaders with foresight and motivation to make those decisions. It suits some leaders to have their countries always in a state of crisis so there is no clear accountability. It suits leaders in these countries to always point to the West and say that is where all our problems come from. They take no accountability and then they go on holiday and get medical attention in the West. The question is how do we motivate these leaders to make the right decisions, life is pretty good for them as things stand. It's not their relatives jumping in boats to try to get to the West. They fly first class.

Re: What happens if you mistakenly apply for British citizenship?

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Post by dang »

smikhanov wrote: post #4
personjerry wrote: post #3

I don’t think the government did anything wrong; The rules aren’t meant to be bent, and if Lucas made a mistake in filing the wrong paperwork, it absolutely makes sense for the consequences to follow. In these serious legal matters, you need to seek counsel. This article attempts to paint a picture of the poor child, but the law was clear, and any emotional appeal should be invalid.

I wouldn’t be surprised if in addition to your “the complex and opaque rules are there for everyone to follow without any leeway for a mistake, period” philosophy you also practice cannibalism.

Please don't react to a bad comment by posting another bad one. That just makes this place worse. Moreover, it breaks the site rules: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: What happens if you mistakenly apply for British citizenship?

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Post by yalph »

Cyph0n wrote: post #151
ethbro wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nationalism by definition involves suppressing a segment of the population (usually opposed to the unifying party and/or allied with external parties). It's ugly but true. It also happened in the United States. In Britian. In France. In Germany. In Spain. In Italy. In ancient Greece and Rome. There are lighter / harsher ways of going about it, though the appropriateness of those is also defined by the opposition's ac…

> Nationalism by definition involves suppressing a segment of the population [...] Great, but what does that have to do with my question, exactly? Were Kemalist leaders not nationalist autocrats? Or are you trying to argue that nationalism is necessary for a country to transition into a democracy?

You first tell me who the hell you call “Kemalist” then I will tell you whether or not they are Kemalist at all. Dont throw around “Kemalist” liberally to make a point. Then we can discuss further.

Re: What happens if you mistakenly apply for British citizenship?

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Post by ConfSibi »

stupidcar wrote: post #107
ConfSibi wrote: post #46

There are legitimate and rational reasons for not wanting a large influx of poor immigrants into a developed nation. Using the US as an example, in the 1800's and early-to-mid 1900's, American work was largely labor intensive agricultural and factory based work. Labor was in huge demand, and as a result the middle class was able to thrive. Today that is no longer the case, and a massive rift between rich and poor is…

This isn't "realist", it's the usual clichés and lies that are always propagated by people trying to justify anti-immigrant sentiment. It perpetuates the falsehood that immigrants stress social programmes. In fact, social programmes in Western countries are stressed by the shifting demographics of their indigenous populations, and require immigrants to prop them up. Social programmes like state pensions and healthcar…

They're not "lies", they're facts that people in favor of mass immigration stubbornly ignore.

Some data for you to look at:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/12/eu-migrants-with...

Re: What happens if you mistakenly apply for British citizenship?

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Post by danharaj »

waxwander wrote: post #126
danharaj wrote: post #28

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Ad hominem is "you're an asshole and that's why you're wrong", not "you're wrong and that makes you an asshole".

I wouldn't be surprised that in addition to your ad hominem philosophy, you were also an uneducated toad.

I'll have you know that I earned my degree at the finest toad university.
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