I think it's fine. If you did nothing wrong then you have nothing to lose by unlocking your phone. So if you don't unlock your phone, it's an admission of guilt. People are way too paranoid. Nobody cares about what you do with your phone. Sometimes I feel like the upper classes of society (especially hypocrites who have money and a reputation to protect) are projecting their fears on all other classes. Then like fool…
Australians who won't unlock their phones could face ten years in jail
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Re: Australians who won't unlock their phones could face ten years in jail
#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or snap it in half, most phones will do this easily.
Would you, under immediate threat, be able to locate and destroy the memory chips—and specifically the memory chips—on your phone? If they're prepared to lock you up for 10 years, they're prepared to do some serious digital forensics on some unsnapped chips.
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#13Seems like the only logical solution is to carry a hammer to destroy your phone if necessary. If the heat hasn't told you they want your phone, there's nothing legally stopping you from destroying your own property if you see them coming...
Or snap it in half, most phones will do this easily.
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#14Genuinely curious - What is the current state / precedent for this type of situation in the US?
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/man-jailed-indef...
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#15Genuinely curious - What is the current state / precedent for this type of situation in the US?
There's less protection for fingerprint based unlock mechanisms and the like. It's not "something you know", so they're free to compel you to provide it.
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#16I think it's fine. If you did nothing wrong then you have nothing to lose by unlocking your phone. So if you don't unlock your phone, it's an admission of guilt. People are way too paranoid. Nobody cares about what you do with your phone. Sometimes I feel like the upper classes of society (especially hypocrites who have money and a reputation to protect) are projecting their fears on all other classes. Then like fool…
Re: Australians who won't unlock their phones could face ten years in jail
#17Genuinely curious - What is the current state / precedent for this type of situation in the US?
US: Life sentence. If a judge orders you to unlock your laptop/phone and you don't -- it could be a life sentence. IMHO, they go around the constitution with "Contempt of court". https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/man-jailed-indef...
Re: Australians who won't unlock their phones could face ten years in jail
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or snap it in half, most phones will do this easily.
Would you, under immediate threat, be able to locate and destroy the memory chips—and specifically the memory chips—on your phone? If they're prepared to lock you up for 10 years, they're prepared to do some serious digital forensics on some unsnapped chips.
Re: Australians who won't unlock their phones could face ten years in jail
#19I think it's fine. If you did nothing wrong then you have nothing to lose by unlocking your phone. So if you don't unlock your phone, it's an admission of guilt. People are way too paranoid. Nobody cares about what you do with your phone. Sometimes I feel like the upper classes of society (especially hypocrites who have money and a reputation to protect) are projecting their fears on all other classes. Then like fool…
Whether this is an attempt at trolling or not, I am not sure, but I believe many people, especially those somewhat removed from marginalized populations, also hold this viewpoint.
I advise those that hold this viewpoint to see the excellent video, "Don't Talk to Cops". This should not be seen as an indictment of the many good people that work in law enforcement, but rather one of a system that incentivizes convictions over actual guilt or innocence.
At any moment in time, it we are breaking so many laws because of how the laws are written. It's illegal to speed. Who has never done that? A cop can pull you over. If the cop is having a bad day, and asks you to do something you don't want to, and you argue, now you're resisting arrest, which is another crime. And then for how many people has the next step been imprisonment and/or death due to an altercation that all started from a thing nearly everyone does almost every day?
The government does not need more powers to find more people guilty of crimes that shouldn't even be illegal. There are already too many people in jail and too many people dead due to a justice system that, sadly, skews far away from actual justice.
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#20I think it's fine. If you did nothing wrong then you have nothing to lose by unlocking your phone. So if you don't unlock your phone, it's an admission of guilt. People are way too paranoid. Nobody cares about what you do with your phone. Sometimes I feel like the upper classes of society (especially hypocrites who have money and a reputation to protect) are projecting their fears on all other classes. Then like fool…
Perhaps others' lives are too uneventful. In these here parts of Western Europe we had 3 dictatorships active within the last 50 years (up to ~1980 -- Spain, Portugal, Greece), including torture and everything. Easter Europe had worse up to 1989. All could come back quite easily.
And even in other parts of Western Europe there was mass surveillance of political opposition, lots of cases against activists, hundreds of thousands of people against the political establishment (e.g. in Italy), mafia, etc.
Not everywhere is like rural Iowa.