Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic

Post by TomMarius » Wed, Aug 15, 2018, 1:57 PM UTC

anon08142018 wrote: post #171

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> Because insurance is a private industry and there are few goverment assisted options if you are very poor its very expensive to purchase it by yourself in the US. Private insurance has every incentive to keep raising prices and to keep lobbying the government to stay away from the market. This is proven to be false by Switzerland, where people purchase their private health insurance themselves.

Yes, lots of things are possible. I imagine there are both cultural and regulatory differences between the health insurance market in Switzerland vs the US.

Post by TomMarius » Wed, Aug 15, 2018, 3:15 PM UTC

anon08142018 wrote: post #173

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Yes, I agree. I suspect it's a regulatory problem, that's why I asked - I'd like to know the specifics.

This link seems to cover a lot of the differences. It sounds like a decent system, but not one that would ever work in the US. The private healthcare companies have too much to money to lose and would use the media to frame such as system as communist and dangerous. https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-the-US-...

Post by TheCoelacanth » Wed, Aug 15, 2018, 4:07 PM UTC

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There is a huge conflict of interest here. The hospital makes diagnosis, requests that the person lose their autonomy, gets control over that person, financially benefits from that control, and can use that control to hide any misdeeds or contrary evidence. There is also a profound disrespect for human autonomy. Hospitals disrespect autonomy for many people in many ways, with the most common being when birthing mothe…

On the flip side, we have thousands of obviously mentally ill people on the street homeless because we can't commit them because of that human autonomy that you mention. It all points to public healthcare where there is governance at a political level and not profit level.

Post by DaiPlusPlus » Thu, Aug 16, 2018, 11:11 AM UTC

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On the flip side, we have thousands of obviously mentally ill people on the street homeless because we can't commit them because of that human autonomy that you mention. It all points to public healthcare where there is governance at a political level and not profit level.

Some people are on the street because it is the least worst option available to them. They changed the law in part because of the horrifying conditions under which people were living who had been committed. Having slept in a tent for nearly 6 years, I would take that over de facto imprisonment in an asylum any day. I did spend 10 days in an asylum in my teens. This is not an uninformed opinion by any stretch.

Post by GFischer » Thu, Aug 16, 2018, 6:44 PM UTC

TomMarius wrote: post #136

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On the flip side, we have thousands of obviously mentally ill people on the street homeless because we can't commit them because of that human autonomy that you mention. It all points to public healthcare where there is governance at a political level and not profit level.

Reposting a comment I made in another thread here: But public healthcare service is much worse in my experience. I'm forced to be a part of a public system but I'd very much prefer to be able to pay private insurance and use private hospitals. We have private hospitals, but the government insurance isn't accepted there (because the law and the system doesn't allow it) and that makes it prohibitively expensive to me e…