Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic
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Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic
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Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic
#2There is a huge conflict of interest here. The hospital makes diagnosis, requests that the person lose their autonomy, gets control over that person, financially benefits from that control, and can use that control to hide any misdeeds or contrary evidence.
There is also a profound disrespect for human autonomy. Hospitals disrespect autonomy for many people in many ways, with the most common being when birthing mothers get locked in.
In this case, besides the parents, credit goes to a couple judges who denied the Mayo clinic's requests. You'd think one should be enough of course, and that seeking another judge should be prohibited. To give a doctor analogy: it's like hopping from doctor to doctor in search of pills.
Hospitals that do this sort of thing ought to take a fatal hit to their reputation. Nobody should accept being a customer. I suppose the news doesn't get out much, memories are short, advertising works, and most hospitals have a regional monopoly.
Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic
#3There is a huge conflict of interest here. The hospital makes diagnosis, requests that the person lose their autonomy, gets control over that person, financially benefits from that control, and can use that control to hide any misdeeds or contrary evidence. There is also a profound disrespect for human autonomy. Hospitals disrespect autonomy for many people in many ways, with the most common being when birthing mothe…
On the flip side, we have thousands of obviously mentally ill people on the street homeless because we can't commit them because of that human autonomy that you mention.
It all points to public healthcare where there is governance at a political level and not profit level.
Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic
#4There is a huge conflict of interest here. The hospital makes diagnosis, requests that the person lose their autonomy, gets control over that person, financially benefits from that control, and can use that control to hide any misdeeds or contrary evidence. There is also a profound disrespect for human autonomy. Hospitals disrespect autonomy for many people in many ways, with the most common being when birthing mothe…
On the flip side, we have thousands of obviously mentally ill people on the street homeless because we can't commit them because of that human autonomy that you mention. It all points to public healthcare where there is governance at a political level and not profit level.
> we have thousands of obviously mentally ill people on the street homeless because we can't commit them because of that human autonomy that you mention.
I think there's more to it than that, if we look at some graphs over time.
Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic
#5Wow. That's really horrifying. Imagine losing your rights to decide your own medical treatment because overzealous doctors made up a 'mental health problem'.
I lost a huge amount of respect for Mayo clinic today.
Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic
#6There is a huge conflict of interest here. The hospital makes diagnosis, requests that the person lose their autonomy, gets control over that person, financially benefits from that control, and can use that control to hide any misdeeds or contrary evidence. There is also a profound disrespect for human autonomy. Hospitals disrespect autonomy for many people in many ways, with the most common being when birthing mothe…
On the flip side, we have thousands of obviously mentally ill people on the street homeless because we can't commit them because of that human autonomy that you mention. It all points to public healthcare where there is governance at a political level and not profit level.
It's unconscionable to suggest that hospitals be allowed to legally kidnap people because of something as hand wavy as 'some homeless are mentally ill'.
Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic
#7There is a huge conflict of interest here. The hospital makes diagnosis, requests that the person lose their autonomy, gets control over that person, financially benefits from that control, and can use that control to hide any misdeeds or contrary evidence. There is also a profound disrespect for human autonomy. Hospitals disrespect autonomy for many people in many ways, with the most common being when birthing mothe…
> credit goes to a couple judges who denied the Mayo clinic's requests
Also to the police, who refused to pursue the "abduction" once it was clear that the patient was being taken care of at another hospital.
Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic
#8The medical profession really scares me. They have no respect or concern for patients and are largely going through the motions of providing care with no concern for successful outcomes. I find this to be consistently true in every encounter.
I fired my last PCP because they lied about treating me for depression complete with fictional prescriptions. I found out when I couldn't get disability insurance (at a sane price) because there was history of depression in my records I didn't know about.
I asked the PCP to correct it and they said they couldn't they might get sued for insurance fraud. What a joke!
So I avoided doctors for three years. Eventually I got to a new PCP and guess what I find when I check their notes? A herniated disk I don't have (I know, I have the MRI to prove it) and they claimed I was being treated for ADD even though I haven't been treated for that since I left my last PCP and we didn't talk about it beyond my mentioning I used to "have" it.
Believe it or not ADD is a thing insurance companies think can cease to be an ongoing issue. You just have to stop taking the medication. And then poof you go from being mentally ill to having a history of mental illness (yes ADD is a mental illness). It's critically important you not let medical professionals claim you are being treated for fictional things and how long it has been since you were treated matters a lot. If you let them claim they are treating you for a long ago resolved condition they revive it and suddenly you are a bigger liability.
If you go to purchase insurance on the open market or long term disability you will be dinged for the rest of your life for anything they claim as part of their insurance fraud. If it's an ongoing or recent issue you are dinged even worse.
PCPs in particular are financially incentivized to invent issues they are treating you for in their records because they can bill more for office visits if they can increase the number, complexity, and seriousness of the conditions they treat you for. And the insurance companies just take them at their word!
And the craziest part is that as part of HIPAA you can ask the doctor to correct the record, but they are under no obligation to do so. They make the final determination of medical fact, or fiction as it were. You can add a letter to your file pointing out how insane and contradictory their records are, but I can tell you from experience insurance companies aren't buying it and have no appetite for risk.
Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic
#9There is a huge conflict of interest here. The hospital makes diagnosis, requests that the person lose their autonomy, gets control over that person, financially benefits from that control, and can use that control to hide any misdeeds or contrary evidence. There is also a profound disrespect for human autonomy. Hospitals disrespect autonomy for many people in many ways, with the most common being when birthing mothe…
On the flip side, we have thousands of obviously mentally ill people on the street homeless because we can't commit them because of that human autonomy that you mention. It all points to public healthcare where there is governance at a political level and not profit level.
> It all points to public healthcare where there is governance at a political level and not profit level.
Because no-one has ever been kidnapped for political reasons?
Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
On the flip side, we have thousands of obviously mentally ill people on the street homeless because we can't commit them because of that human autonomy that you mention. It all points to public healthcare where there is governance at a political level and not profit level.
> we have thousands of obviously mentally ill people on the street homeless because we can't commit them because of that human autonomy that you mention. I think there's more to it than that, if we look at some graphs over time.
It is always nuanced of course. The inability to lock people up in California as a result of the patients rights act[1] had its effects, but a general backing off of mental institutions from both the Federal and State governments was a big problem. The 55% number in [1] matches up with my experience with homeless in the Bay Area. The tricky bit is that survivor bias is an issue as well as mentally ill people are less likely to 'blend in' and keep a low profile so in street encounters it can seem like a higher percentage than it is. Similarly in food kitchen lines the mentally ill are at a disadvantage if they lack planning skills to get into the line.
[1] 2015 In the San Francisco Homeless Count, 55 percent of people experiencing chronic homelessness report they have emotional or psychiatric conditions. -- https://www.kqed.org/news/11209729/did-the-emptying-of-menta...