This is way beyond Hanlon's Razor assuming this article is both complete and accurate. Mayo Clinic clearly acted in a way that would protect their income and not their patient, going as far as to try to use legal leverage to ensure neither the patient nor the parents could decide to get even a second opinion. Would you step foot into a Mayo Clinic the same ever again if this happened to you?
Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic
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Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic
#72There is a huge conflict of interest here. The hospital makes diagnosis, requests that the person lose their autonomy, gets control over that person, financially benefits from that control, and can use that control to hide any misdeeds or contrary evidence. There is also a profound disrespect for human autonomy. Hospitals disrespect autonomy for many people in many ways, with the most common being when birthing mothe…
On the flip side, we have thousands of obviously mentally ill people on the street homeless because we can't commit them because of that human autonomy that you mention. It all points to public healthcare where there is governance at a political level and not profit level.
We can't commit them because mental hospitals keep getting closed.
Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic
#73There is a huge conflict of interest here. The hospital makes diagnosis, requests that the person lose their autonomy, gets control over that person, financially benefits from that control, and can use that control to hide any misdeeds or contrary evidence. There is also a profound disrespect for human autonomy. Hospitals disrespect autonomy for many people in many ways, with the most common being when birthing mothe…
On the flip side, we have thousands of obviously mentally ill people on the street homeless because we can't commit them because of that human autonomy that you mention. It all points to public healthcare where there is governance at a political level and not profit level.
Some people are on the street because it is the least worst option available to them.
They changed the law in part because of the horrifying conditions under which people were living who had been committed.
Having slept in a tent for nearly 6 years, I would take that over de facto imprisonment in an asylum any day. I did spend 10 days in an asylum in my teens. This is not an uninformed opinion by any stretch.
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#74This is one way to make a profit off the patient. I wonder if it would have happened if she had no insurance. Highly unlikely as the hospital wouldn't be able to milk the patient for money.
A second issue is these social workers whose main goal seems to want to remove children from parents and break up families in general for what I can only say is their own sick amusement. This is a fucked up job that gives way too much power to people who really don't care about others and often are unsuited to work with others. No one or even two individuals should have this kind of power. Removing someone's legal ability to make choices for themselves or their children should only be done by a consensus of multiple, independent parties that are not allowed to communicate with each other.
Finally, why did the DA not file charges of wrongful detainment / kidnapping against the hospital? This is not a mere disagreement. The article brushing this off as some petty doctor ignores the kidnapping and sending the police after the patient based on false statements to the police. At the very least the social worker, doctor, and nurse who contributed to this should all be fired and lose their licenses. These people should not be working on their respective fields and likely should be in jail. I hope the patient does sue but that won't prevent greedy or petty healthcare workers with too much power from doing this in the future.
Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic
#75As a HIPAA issue, the Mayo cannot defend itself here - it has no right to disclose any information on this patient’s stay or condition. Key quote, >“You’re only hearing one side,” cautioned Dr. Chris Feudtner, a professor of pediatrics, medical ethics and health policy at the University of Pennsylvania Perelman School of Medicine. They “broke her out” while she still had a feeding tube in place, and had only just “Th…
Except on the same day another world-class hospital decided that she was healthy enough to go home..
You mean an ER physician who had no history of the previous hospitalization? The family had no discharge paperwork because they left AMA. I don't think they provided an adequate history including recommendations from neurosurgery, Pulm crit, GI, physical therapy, and speech therapy. Also I don't think the ER physician was going to admit a patient for an ultimate disposition for inpatient therapy either.
What I think is kind of funny is that there is a general pediatrician who was probably coordinating care and never really needed to get consent for treatment. I'm sure the neurosurgeon who did the clip got consent, GI/surgery got consent for the PEG, Pulm crit for the trach. Now this sad primary care/peds doctor is going down for not getting consent.
And one last thing, primary team pediatricians/hospitalists and their assisting case managers/social workers are not excited about long and protracted patient dispositions. No one likes to have a patient sitting on their list forever, especially one who really wants to leave and is aggressive about it. This story is incomplete without Mayo's side. I don't trust any of those comments from the medical ethicists when they don't have access to the full EMR at Mayo. I suppose they were enamored with the idea of providing a comment to the journalist.
Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic
#76There is a huge conflict of interest here. The hospital makes diagnosis, requests that the person lose their autonomy, gets control over that person, financially benefits from that control, and can use that control to hide any misdeeds or contrary evidence. There is also a profound disrespect for human autonomy. Hospitals disrespect autonomy for many people in many ways, with the most common being when birthing mothe…
This is why Hospitals should be run as public services instead of private companies.
Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic
#77This is one way to make a profit off the patient. I wonder if it would have happened if she had no insurance. Highly unlikely as the hospital wouldn't be able to milk the patient for money. A second issue is these social workers whose main goal seems to want to remove children from parents and break up families in general for what I can only say is their own sick amusement. This is a fucked up job that gives way too…
This is one way to make a profit off the patient. I wonder if it would have happened if she had no insurance. Highly unlikely as the hospital wouldn't be able to milk the patient for money.
I have no idea how to find it, but your comment reminds me of some horrifying article about the addiction treatment industry leeching all the money they could from patients with good insurance without really getting them better, not sincerely trying to do so.
Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic
#78There is a huge conflict of interest here. The hospital makes diagnosis, requests that the person lose their autonomy, gets control over that person, financially benefits from that control, and can use that control to hide any misdeeds or contrary evidence. There is also a profound disrespect for human autonomy. Hospitals disrespect autonomy for many people in many ways, with the most common being when birthing mothe…
> credit goes to a couple judges who denied the Mayo clinic's requests Also to the police, who refused to pursue the "abduction" once it was clear that the patient was being taken care of at another hospital.
The police chased the victim instead of the perpetrator believing the hospital despite the hospital's obvious lies. Yes, it's amazing they did finally stop but giving them credit for chasing a sick girl to another state is preposterous.
Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic
#79This is one way to make a profit off the patient. I wonder if it would have happened if she had no insurance. Highly unlikely as the hospital wouldn't be able to milk the patient for money. A second issue is these social workers whose main goal seems to want to remove children from parents and break up families in general for what I can only say is their own sick amusement. This is a fucked up job that gives way too…
What are you on about??
Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic
#80As a HIPAA issue, the Mayo cannot defend itself here - it has no right to disclose any information on this patient’s stay or condition. Key quote, >“You’re only hearing one side,” cautioned Dr. Chris Feudtner, a professor of pediatrics, medical ethics and health policy at the University of Pennsylvania Perelman School of Medicine. They “broke her out” while she still had a feeding tube in place, and had only just “Th…
> has no right to disclose any information on this patient’s stay or condition Except that according to the article the Mayo said they would if the patient signed a release form. So the patient did so (called their bluff basically), and they still refused to discuss it. > they earnestly thought she was extremely ill. Which makes their actions less evil than the article implies. Make no difference whatsoever. People h…
I'm sure their lawyer put the kibosh on that. How could they square their claim that she was not capable of making decisions with honoring a release also signed by her?