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Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic

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Post by Chris_Chambers »

inetknght wrote: post #11
nxc18 wrote: post #5

Wow. That's really horrifying. Imagine losing your rights to decide your own medical treatment because overzealous doctors made up a 'mental health problem'. I lost a huge amount of respect for Mayo clinic today.

It's especially scary if you have no trusted friends or relatives. There's an awful lot of people with asocial tendencies on the internet.

I have no friends or family here and am too socially crippled to make friends I would ever trust. I need a harmless procedure completed and doctors refuse to do it unless I have someone else with me who is willing to drive me home afterwards. Uber/Lyft/Taxi is not allowed either.

Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic

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Post by arkades »

As a HIPAA issue, the Mayo cannot defend itself here - it has no right to disclose any information on this patient’s stay or condition.

Key quote,

>“You’re only hearing one side,” cautioned Dr. Chris Feudtner, a professor of pediatrics, medical ethics and health policy at the University of Pennsylvania Perelman School of Medicine.

They “broke her out” while she still had a feeding tube in place, and had only just “The video shows Duane pushing Alyssa in her wheelchair down the hospital hallway. She has a bandage on her neck where her breathing tube had been removed a few days before.”

If you’re getting a feeding tube and a trache, you’re likely sick as shit. Even if one thinks the Mayo docs were wrong, that course of treatment suggests they earnestly thought she was extremely ill. Which makes their actions less evil than the article implies.

Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic

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Post by lylecubed »

PiggySpeed wrote: post #18
lylecubed wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's unconscionable to suggest that hospitals be allowed to legally kidnap people because of something as hand wavy as 'some homeless are mentally ill'.

This is a complicated issue. I've seen this happen in practice. As long as the process remains conservative and respectful of the patient, it results in better outcomes for the patient and a more peaceful society. The cases where I have seen this happen: schizophrenia, drug-induced psychosis, acute mania, dementia. Patients come out far better in an institutionalized setting, as opposed to being on the streets and wa…

There's a huge, gigantic, gaping chasm between a hospital patient with no history of mental illness with two parents, neither of which have a history of mental illness, and a schizophrenic homeless person. Saying one has anything to do with the other to justify a hospital kidnapping its own patients is seriously messed up.

Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic

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Post by modells »

Unless the parents were crazy abusive or actually unfit, Mayo basically stalled to steal their child and charge them more money. Also bad is a recent scam of random average people being involuntarily assigned conservatorship and having their assets stripped.

Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic

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Post by lylecubed »

arkades wrote: post #22

As a HIPAA issue, the Mayo cannot defend itself here - it has no right to disclose any information on this patient’s stay or condition. Key quote, >“You’re only hearing one side,” cautioned Dr. Chris Feudtner, a professor of pediatrics, medical ethics and health policy at the University of Pennsylvania Perelman School of Medicine. They “broke her out” while she still had a feeding tube in place, and had only just “Th…

> Which makes their actions less evil than the article implies.

And accusing the mother of having a history of mental illness in an attempt to get conservatorship when no such history exists? Sounds pretty damned evil to me.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Even if they had their patient's best interests at heart, that doesn't excuse what they did.

Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic

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Post by modells »

lylecubed wrote: post #6
outside1234 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the flip side, we have thousands of obviously mentally ill people on the street homeless because we can't commit them because of that human autonomy that you mention. It all points to public healthcare where there is governance at a political level and not profit level.

It's unconscionable to suggest that hospitals be allowed to legally kidnap people because of something as hand wavy as 'some homeless are mentally ill'.

Reagan’s LPS Act didn’t apply any nuance, common-sense or transition when defunding JFK’s community treatment program, and just dumped people whom aren’t in contact with reality or self-care onto the street. Complete lawlessness is infinite tyranny.

Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic

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Post by PiggySpeed »

lylecubed wrote: post #23
PiggySpeed wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a complicated issue. I've seen this happen in practice. As long as the process remains conservative and respectful of the patient, it results in better outcomes for the patient and a more peaceful society. The cases where I have seen this happen: schizophrenia, drug-induced psychosis, acute mania, dementia. Patients come out far better in an institutionalized setting, as opposed to being on the streets and wa…

There's a huge, gigantic, gaping chasm between a hospital patient with no history of mental illness with two parents, neither of which have a history of mental illness, and a schizophrenic homeless person. Saying one has anything to do with the other to justify a hospital kidnapping its own patients is seriously messed up.

I was referring to your reply to outside1234's comment. His answer was in the scope of the "obviously mentally ill" population. And I addressed your reply to that.

It is incorrect to take my response outside of its intended context and attempt to attack it there.

Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic

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Post by lylecubed »

luddaite wrote: post #12
arielweisberg wrote: post #8

The medical profession really scares me. They have no respect or concern for patients and are largely going through the motions of providing care with no concern for successful outcomes. I find this to be consistently true in every encounter. I fired my last PCP because they lied about treating me for depression complete with fictional prescriptions. I found out when I couldn't get disability insurance (at a sane pri…

It seems pretty unfair to malign the entire field of medicine due to a single bad actor. I went to medical school prior to becoming an engineer and my impression was that most if not all of my classmates were genuine in their desire to help improve the lives of others. I'm sorry that you had a bad experience with your previous PCP but they don't represent the profession as a whole. Also, if ADD is not a mental illnes…

> It seems pretty unfair to malign the entire field of medicine due to a single bad actor.

Do a little research. Prescription fraud of this sort is widespread in the US.

Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic

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Post by [deleted] »

modells wrote: post #26
lylecubed wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's unconscionable to suggest that hospitals be allowed to legally kidnap people because of something as hand wavy as 'some homeless are mentally ill'.

Reagan’s LPS Act didn’t apply any nuance, common-sense or transition when defunding JFK’s community treatment program, and just dumped people whom aren’t in contact with reality or self-care onto the street. Complete lawlessness is infinite tyranny.

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Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic

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Post by lylecubed »

PiggySpeed wrote: post #27
lylecubed wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a huge, gigantic, gaping chasm between a hospital patient with no history of mental illness with two parents, neither of which have a history of mental illness, and a schizophrenic homeless person. Saying one has anything to do with the other to justify a hospital kidnapping its own patients is seriously messed up.

I was referring to your reply to outside1234's comment. His answer was in the scope of the "obviously mentally ill" population. And I addressed your reply to that. It is incorrect to take my response outside of its intended context and attempt to attack it there.

The context of this conversation is the mayo clinic kidnapping a patient. If you want to talk about the homeless problem outside of that context, start another post.
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