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Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Most guns used in crime in Brazil are in the hands of criminals (usually traffic) and militia (which is just different criminals with ties to the police). They wouldn't exactly be purchasing those guns with their ids. A lot of it comes from the police and the army. Gun laws protect civilians against civilians. There are no school shootings here that I'm aware of for instance (exceptions are usually targeted events),…

"There are no school shootings here that I'm aware of " (Referring to brazil). Here is an entire list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Brazil

Eleven of 13 of that list are not related to schools.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Murders in the US are extremely unevenly distributed. Most Americans live their entire lives without ever knowing anyone who was murdered. Many "bad neighborhoods" are not bad because of the prevalence of murder, but because of the prevalence of burglary, theft, etc.

Anecdotally, I wonder how true this is. I'm two degrees separated from two people who were murdered--one was a colleague of my father (killer never caught, suspected they knew each other, though), one a friend of my sister (also never caught, though less likely a friend/acquaintance due to her age). Surely my experience isn't that unique?? If so, wow.

I think the world has about 3.5 degrees of separation. Probably 2 degrees is more than half the country?

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Eesh. If all of this is accurate, it is problematic indeed. I wonder how many of these homicides would cease to occur if drugs were made legal in Brazil (I wonder about this worldwide). I've never understood why it's difficult for people to understand the awful incentive structures that making drugs illegal puts into motion.

I just want to make sure we're talking about the same thing. 'Making drugs legal' is frequently miss-understood. Treating addiction as a public health problem by decriminalising addicts and personal posession while keeping the trade in drugs firmly illegal, as in Portugal and now Norway, looks like the way to go. The recent changes to the law in Norway are widely reported as 'decriminalising drugs'. That is highly mi…

Decriminalizing possession doesn't do anything to help the violence associated with the drug trade though, does it? I thought that was one of the main reasons for the "legalize completely" argument.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Yes, about 80% are drug related.

What is the conflict that's causing such a high rate? I associate Col/Mex deaths with cartels warring over trafficking routes but what is happening in Brazil? Is it just street trade?

Col is a producer, Mex is a route to the US, Brazil is a route to Europe

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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On the flip side, it probably helps if good role models are willing to take their chances in establishing their presence in an at risk community. Change has to start somewhere.

Sure, that's called gentrification.

Reduced crime is one aspect of gentrification, but generally it's a changing demographic as people get priced out of a neighbourhood.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Eesh. If all of this is accurate, it is problematic indeed. I wonder how many of these homicides would cease to occur if drugs were made legal in Brazil (I wonder about this worldwide). I've never understood why it's difficult for people to understand the awful incentive structures that making drugs illegal puts into motion.

Why do you think homocide rates are somehow correlated with legality of drug usage?

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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I'm a little surprised that other places with military conflicts (eg. middle east) or paramilitary conflicts (eg. Mexico) aren't higher? Maybe those are counted differently?

Within the broad range of violent deaths, the core element of intentional homicide is the complete liability of the direct perpetrator, which thus excludes killings directly related to war or conflicts, self-inflicted death (suicide), killings due to legal interventions or justifiable killings (such as self-defence), and those deaths caused when the perpetrator was reckless or negligent but did not intend to take a human life (non-intentional homicide).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention...

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Brazil, like most of South (and now perhaps north too?) America suffers from macho populism. A lot of character politicians with tough messages, empty promises and sadly the population just falls for it every time. These stats, along with others, is the result of years of populism, corruption and neglect.

Let’s ignore the fact that the last president was a woman and that this is the direct result of her party disastrous administration. Blame machismo. It always works.

http://www.unwomen.org/en/digital-library/publications/2017/...

https://www.transparency.org/news/feature/corruption_percept...

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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Eesh. If all of this is accurate, it is problematic indeed. I wonder how many of these homicides would cease to occur if drugs were made legal in Brazil (I wonder about this worldwide). I've never understood why it's difficult for people to understand the awful incentive structures that making drugs illegal puts into motion.

I just want to make sure we're talking about the same thing. 'Making drugs legal' is frequently miss-understood. Treating addiction as a public health problem by decriminalising addicts and personal posession while keeping the trade in drugs firmly illegal, as in Portugal and now Norway, looks like the way to go. The recent changes to the law in Norway are widely reported as 'decriminalising drugs'. That is highly mi…

Different thing.

There aren't black markets for things that aren't illegal. Often, the gang murders we thing of are "turf wars" where one gang is competing with another gang for the same sales territory.

So legalizing drug trade likely decreases drug gangs, which likely decreases murders. People might still die from drug use, but that becomes a separate problem.

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