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Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Brazil "Thus, disarmament is effectively happening in Brazil,[12] as are massive gun confiscations,[13] notwithstanding its refusal by Brazilian people (at the referendum of 2005). Some argue that this will increase gun homicides. Other research shows that there is a decrease in firearm deaths correlating with disarmament.[14][15] However, 2012 marked the highest rate of gun…

Lowering crime rates has never really been the goal of gun confiscation.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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While still shocking, life in Brazil isn't the kinda Aleppo like bloodshed this article portrays. Majority of victims are young male gang members sucked into the drug turf wars.

The majority of deaths in the war in Syria have also been combatants with only being minority civilians, a substantial minority certainly but I suspect there's a reasonable minority of "civilians" killed in Brazilian drug wars. This 63K killed/year figure seems to exceed some years of the Syrian civil war. Brazil is a larger country but the drug war is concentrated in a minority of the country. The one thing you're n…

Thanks for that. I was sceptical and went for a dig. In most conflicts the civilian to combatant death ratio is high, with numbers like 9:1 cited. This is probably over estimated but having a civilian toll lower than combatant is unusual. As far as I can tell Syria has a toll of about 3.5 combatants to each civilian.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualty_ratio

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

#73
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let’s ignore the fact that the last president was a woman and that this is the direct result of her party disastrous administration. Blame machismo. It always works.

Your first point is a good one. However I don’t think you can blame one administration with all this mess surely?

Crime reduction in 1992 (in the US) is attributed by some to Roe v Wade (1972). It took 20 years. The young people who are dying now (guns deaths hit the young and poor the worst) were born at the end of the 1990s and start of 2000s, which was a period of high unemployment and even famine (300 children died of malnutrition per day in 2001).

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Brazil "Thus, disarmament is effectively happening in Brazil,[12] as are massive gun confiscations,[13] notwithstanding its refusal by Brazilian people (at the referendum of 2005). Some argue that this will increase gun homicides. Other research shows that there is a decrease in firearm deaths correlating with disarmament.[14][15] However, 2012 marked the highest rate of gun…

I don't want to dismiss your point, when it comes to gun control I don't really have a strong opinion, I see both sides. But I wouldn't simply put these numbers in direct correlation with gun control.

There are other factors that are much more important than gun control changes such as the political crisis, economical crisis and rise in gang violence filled by drug dollars.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just look at the links in the parallel comment.

Not a proper source ("braZZil.com really?) and it's only about 1/3 of your claims.

Brazil's Deep Cuts To Science Funding Will Lock Country In The Past

https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2017/10/12/557099357/brazi...

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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I recently moved to a "bad neighborhood" and was very surprised to learn that there was only one murder here last year, and it was between friends who had stolen something from each other. There were only around 13,000 murders last year in the US, a number that used to be more like 26,000 during the crack epidemic 30 years ago. US population has increased by 10s of millions since then, but murders continue to drop. A…

>> here were only around 13,000 murders last year in the US

And 5% of those were in Chicago alone.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just look at the links in the parallel comment.

Not a proper source ("braZZil.com really?) and it's only about 1/3 of your claims.

Brazilian army to take control of security in Rio as violence rises; President Temer’s plan aims to curb street crime and gang violence; Proposal criticised by residents of Rio’s favelas

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/16/brazilian-army...

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a proper source ("braZZil.com really?) and it's only about 1/3 of your claims.

Millions of Brazilians Fall Back into Poverty https://apnews.com/89afd8d964984eb69678129e7d4a16cc "Meanwhile, budgetary pressures and the conservative policies of President Michel Temer are translating into cuts in social services. Among those hit is the Bolsa Familia — Family Allowance — program that gives small subsidies each month to qualifying low-income people. It’s credited with much of the poverty reduction du…

This hardly means that the plan is to "cut the little social net" like you said. Also, couple of paragraphs bellow:

> "An Associated Press review of Bolsa Familia data found coverage declined 4 percentage points between May 2016, when Temer became acting president, and May of this year. Part of that may be due to a crackdown on alleged fraud that started late last year. Temer’s administration announced it had found “irregularities” in the records of 1.1 million recipients — about 8 percent of the 14 million people who receive the benefit. The infractions ranged from fraud to families that were earning above $150 a month, the cutoff to receive the benefit."

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

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post #9

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I mean, there's more to a "good" or "bad" neighbourhood than how many people die each year. There's all the other types of crime, for instance... That, and if you want to raise a family, what kind of role models and community surrounds your children is important.

On the flip side, it probably helps if good role models are willing to take their chances in establishing their presence in an at risk community. Change has to start somewhere.

Sure, that's called gentrification.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

#80
post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just look at the links in the parallel comment.

Not a proper source ("braZZil.com really?) and it's only about 1/3 of your claims.

Rio de Janeiro city councilwoman, Marielle Franco, was brutally murdered alongside her driver, Anderson Gomes, and the assailants remain at large. Marielle was a black, socialist LGBT activist who prominently expressed the politics of alterity in Rio. Born and raised in the Maré favela, she was a staunch critic of police violence against the black inhabitants of Rio’s favelas.

http://www.coha.org/marielle-franco-and-brazils-new-normal/

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