Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Brazil sets new record for homicides

msn.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

51–60 of 193 posts

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

#51

Post by leopoldo »

reaperducer wrote: post #37
kolbe wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You simply did not live in a bad neighborhood by American standards. The worst neighborhoods in Chicago have murder rates far worse than Brazil as a country. For example Brazil has an intentional homicide rate around 30, whereas Chicago has 26 neighborhoods higher, with the most dangerous one, Engelwood, topping out at 172. To put that in context, the world's most dangerous city is Caracas at 120. http://www.chicagon…

Comparing a Chicago neighborhood to a South American city seems a little disingenuous. It might be more appropriate to compare the most violent neighborhood in Chicago to the most violent neighborhood in a similarly-sized Venezuelan city. Just as you would compare the safest neighborhoods in both cities.

Venezuelan here. I was gonna make the same point.

Imagine how bad Caracas is, given that the population is roughly the same (or a little larger than Chicago's). There are no official numbers for Caracas as the government "chose" not to report. But Chicago has a 15.65 murde rate vs. a +110 in Caracas (per 100 000).

I don't even want to think what's the rate for the equivalent of Engelwood in Caracas :(

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

#52

Post by ransom1538 »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Brazil

"Thus, disarmament is effectively happening in Brazil,[12] as are massive gun confiscations,[13] notwithstanding its refusal by Brazilian people (at the referendum of 2005). Some argue that this will increase gun homicides. Other research shows that there is a decrease in firearm deaths correlating with disarmament.[14][15] However, 2012 marked the highest rate of gun deaths in 35 years for Brazil, 8 years after a ban on carrying handguns in public went in to effect,[16] and 2016 saw the worst ever death toll from homicide in Brazil, with 61,619 dead.[17] Only to rise again in 2017 to 63,880 a 3.7 per cent rise from 2016. [18] "

Doesn't seem like the gun laws are working out.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

#53

Post by coliveira »

epx wrote: post #41
slig wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Their plan is to cut the little existing social net, destroy public education, and put everyone who complains under military surveillance. Can you give sources for that affirmations?

He cannot because it is not true. Even the leftists (the true-blue ones) admit that left leaning governments have dropped the ball big time regarding security. As other comments already clarified, 90% of the problem is drug-related, the correct fix would be the decriminalization of them.

Just look at the links in the parallel comment.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

#54

Post by forinti »

Traffic deaths are nearly at the same level (nearly 50k per year) even though statistics only count those who died on the spot. I fear the road more than guns, because most shootings occur in certain regions (mainly poor neighbourhoods) which I can avoid.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

#55

Post by ghostbrainalpha »

reaperducer wrote: post #37
kolbe wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You simply did not live in a bad neighborhood by American standards. The worst neighborhoods in Chicago have murder rates far worse than Brazil as a country. For example Brazil has an intentional homicide rate around 30, whereas Chicago has 26 neighborhoods higher, with the most dangerous one, Engelwood, topping out at 172. To put that in context, the world's most dangerous city is Caracas at 120. http://www.chicagon…

Comparing a Chicago neighborhood to a South American city seems a little disingenuous. It might be more appropriate to compare the most violent neighborhood in Chicago to the most violent neighborhood in a similarly-sized Venezuelan city. Just as you would compare the safest neighborhoods in both cities.

Exactly. The murder rate in Sao Paulo, Brazil's largest city was in the 50's. It has recently dropped to 6.1 per 100,000 residents and is quite safe.

So the city is in some cases MORE safe than the less urban areas, the main reason for this drop was a drop in gang violence based on the consolidation and dominant victory of a single gang. That gang is the PCC.

In areas where multiple gangs are still fighting for control the violence can be incredible.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

#56

Post by lostlogin »

ulzeraj wrote: post #23
mavdi wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brazil, like most of South (and now perhaps north too?) America suffers from macho populism. A lot of character politicians with tough messages, empty promises and sadly the population just falls for it every time. These stats, along with others, is the result of years of populism, corruption and neglect.

Let’s ignore the fact that the last president was a woman and that this is the direct result of her party disastrous administration. Blame machismo. It always works.

Your first point is a good one. However I don’t think you can blame one administration with all this mess surely?

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

#58

Post by simonh »

anoncoward111 wrote: post #3

I recently moved to a "bad neighborhood" and was very surprised to learn that there was only one murder here last year, and it was between friends who had stolen something from each other. There were only around 13,000 murders last year in the US, a number that used to be more like 26,000 during the crack epidemic 30 years ago. US population has increased by 10s of millions since then, but murders continue to drop. A…

>S population has increased by 10s of millions since then, but murders continue to drop.

Yet mass shootings are becoming dramatically more common.

What I find curious is that while the Brazilian murder rate is about 6 or 7 times that in the US, the rate of firearm related deaths is 'only' double. Is firearm suicide dramatically more common in the US, or are a lot of the murders perpetrated in Brazil not firearm related? It just seems odd.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

#59

Post by jonathanjaeger »

bennicholes wrote: post #49
goshx wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You never know when you are going to be targeted, so you live in this constant fear. Ask anyone who lives in Brazil what they do if they see two guys in a motorcycle coming their way. I've been robbed at gun point; I've woken up with someone inside my bedroom stealing my laptop; I've been followed home; The bus from the public transport system I used to take was stopped by criminals and set on fire; and so on. It use…

Where did you live in Brazil? As an American I visit the interior of São Paulo and Belo Horizonte often and have never experienced anything like this, nor does it seem my Brazilian friends live in constant anxiety.

I went to Rio and São Paulo last year, and EVERYONE I met gave me constant warnings about being safe in Rio. I felt a lot more comfortable walking aimlessly around São Paulo than Rio, not because I saw anything bad, but because of the warnings and general feel.

Re: Brazil sets new record for homicides

#60

Post by slig »

coliveira wrote: post #53
epx wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He cannot because it is not true. Even the leftists (the true-blue ones) admit that left leaning governments have dropped the ball big time regarding security. As other comments already clarified, 90% of the problem is drug-related, the correct fix would be the decriminalization of them.

Just look at the links in the parallel comment.

Not a proper source ("braZZil.com really?) and it's only about 1/3 of your claims.
Post reply on HN