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EPA is allowing asbestos back into manufacturing

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Re: EPA is allowing asbestos back into manufacturing

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Just a reminder that asbestos occurs naturally in many CA state forests. Was recently offroading in McCloud, CA and it was all over the road - definitely didn't want to kick up dust:

https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/r5/landmanagement/resourceman...

http://www.conservation.ca.gov/cgs/minerals/hazardous_minera...

Re: EPA is allowing asbestos back into manufacturing

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This article is 100% political. The EPA did this due to political shifts. What makes it eligible for the top spot on HN? Any detailed discussion of the politics underlying why this happened will be censored within minutes. What are we supposed to do, discuss the science of asbestos being toxic? This is a perfect example of why the "no politics" zealots on HN need to be stopped.

Last time I broke the rules I was banned. Then when I emailed asking about it I was told, "I've unkilled some of your recent comments that don't break the suite guidelines. Users can vouch for others, which also unkills them."

He would not go into detail about how one user can vouch for another. Take this comment as me vouching for you :)

Re: EPA is allowing asbestos back into manufacturing

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Not only that, but (according to a former senior adviser, who I got to know in the 90s) he was very close to supporting something like national minimum income. To replace welfare. As I recall, it used the income tax system. Below some minimum income, the tax rate became negative, increasingly so as income dropped.

> he was very close to Then he resigned, or was he always just 'very close to' it but never committed?

That, I don't know. But we do know that he got preoccupied with the Vietnam War, and paranoid about those who opposed it. Also, he was quite the racist. And toward the end, he had more or less gone off the rails.

So anyway, I'm guessing that it was early in his first term.

Re: EPA is allowing asbestos back into manufacturing

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This is so true. We should just ban lobbying because it is only used by rich corporations and individuals.

edited: Lobbying should be considered treasonous.

Please don't post unsubstantive comments.

Re: EPA is allowing asbestos back into manufacturing

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The danger of asbestos to regular people is way overstated. Yes, if you work around it every day for years without wearing a mask you'll regret it. If it's in your floor tiles and one breaks, you'll be fine.

So how does the asbestos get into your floor or ceiling? People have to work with it and those people are not hazmat wearing highly paid specialists but your normal workers who get the burden of making sure that they take all precautions during their whole working career no matter the environmental conditions. And the only support they get from their employer are probably just the mask and a note to always use it. Di…

You know those drop ceilings in offices? Some older tiles used in those ceilings contain asbestos.

Re: EPA is allowing asbestos back into manufacturing

#196

Wow. I mean, wow. I'm impressed. These idiots in government really only care about their bribes. And the idiots who are bribing them only care about making money. Everyone else can just fuck off and die. But hey. The Reagan era was horrible too. I mean, eight fucking years! Plus four more of Bush I. And then, all too soon, another eight years of Bush II. ... Actually, I was going for optimism. But I just can't get it…

Obamacare has bit of legacy with Nixoncare, which flopped because Henry Kaiser got to him and Ted Kennedy's Senate didn't want to give him a topper to LBJ's Great Society. Wonder what that alt-future would look like today.

I tell younger people we're living in Reagan's world. Fear is saying that in another 20 years might actually be... optimistic?

Re: EPA is allowing asbestos back into manufacturing

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Wow. I mean, wow. I'm impressed. These idiots in government really only care about their bribes. And the idiots who are bribing them only care about making money. Everyone else can just fuck off and die. But hey. The Reagan era was horrible too. I mean, eight fucking years! Plus four more of Bush I. And then, all too soon, another eight years of Bush II. ... Actually, I was going for optimism. But I just can't get it…

Nixon created the EPA...

From what I’ve read Nixon was not bad, but just got caught doing what would hardly be news by today’s standards.

Re: EPA is allowing asbestos back into manufacturing

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Welcome to the US lobbying system, where science, ethics, and morals take a backseat to agendas of those with the deepest pockets.

This is so true. We should just ban lobbying because it is only used by rich corporations and individuals.

Any attempt to ban lobbying would be heavily lobbied against.

Re: EPA is allowing asbestos back into manufacturing

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It is exceedingly difficult for general consumers to figure out how to deal with hazards like asbestos and lead in home building materials. I am currently renovating our home and it turned out our floor tile had lead in it (not asbestos too thankfully). There are very few resources available and there are no clear rules on how to deal with the removal of hazardous materials. HUD, EPA, CDC, and state rules are all dif…

False on all accounts. Handling asbestos and lead is a well defined scope of work in the construction industry, large projects or small. The fact that you weren't carrying a budget for hot materials doesn't mean its a big conspiracy. There are very clear rules. Its a pain in the rear, but its also a budget line item just like mechanical, electrical, carpentry. Asbestos and Lead is a large piece of Environmental Engin…

Maybe for the construction industry, but that is not my experience at least for residential. I had to call at least 30 different contractors across the state, and I recieved 30 different replies on the proper way to remove it. I have not had much luck finding a safe replacement! At least with electronics design I can check 'RoHs compliant' and see documentation from manufacturers. Not the case with ceramic tiles. There is no information available out there other than yes, lead can be in ceramic and yes, lead is bad in any quantity. Who even knows if lead dust is even produced when tiles are destroyed during removal? Maybe I am making a big deal about nothing but nobody can say for sure.

And I have not had much luck with any testing procedure. XRF scanners seem to work with paint but there is little I could find about its utility with other materials like ceramic. Lab tests have fairly high thresholds of detection. While you are correct in that there are some clear rules and regulations with removing paint I have not been able to get any straight information on lead in other materials. It has been frustrating!

Re: EPA is allowing asbestos back into manufacturing

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"We" didn't vote for this. A bit less than 25% of us voted for it, a bit more than 25% voted against it, and nearly 50% of us didn't bother to vote at all. (3rd parties got a small number of votes in the middle there too.) Neither of the major parties has a majority, or anything like a "mandate" about what the American people want. The majority wants "none of the above". If anyone figures out how to get that majority…

The 50% of people who didn't vote basically have said, we don't care to choose. So they got exactly what they voted for.

Or if they missed the time at work it would have taken to vote, they'd lose their job and can't feed their family.

Election day is not a national holiday

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