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EPA is allowing asbestos back into manufacturing

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Re: EPA is allowing asbestos back into manufacturing

#101
post #17

This makes sense as asbestos only really causes harm when humans come into contact with it. For applications where it is safely enclosed or mixed with another material it may have its uses. I think analysis on a case-by-case basis is the right way to go.

The manufacturing process pretty much always involves humans.

Re: EPA is allowing asbestos back into manufacturing

#102
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia is the biggest exporter of asbestos. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2018/07/11/a...

I thought this was a joke and also fact-checked before you added your own citation. It's true. https://www.asbestos.com/mesothelioma/worldwide/ And here we are still wondering what Trump's secret meeting with Putin was about. I'm not suggesting it was about asbestos, but the timing is certainly suspicious.

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Re: EPA is allowing asbestos back into manufacturing

#103
post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EPA already allows asbestos to be used in a huge range of products. I simply cannot see what justification could be made for allowing asbestos to continue to be used in cement sheet, floor tile and brake pads. It might pose no immediate hazard when installed, but it could become a serious hazard at any point during its lifespan. Cement sheets crack and crumble, floor tiles become worn and get replaced, brake pads…

The danger of asbestos to regular people is way overstated. Yes, if you work around it every day for years without wearing a mask you'll regret it. If it's in your floor tiles and one breaks, you'll be fine.

If you're going to express an opinion, particularly one contrary to widely held beliefs/truths, you need to provide evidence/reasons. That's called "discourse."

Re: EPA is allowing asbestos back into manufacturing

#104
post #17

This makes sense as asbestos only really causes harm when humans come into contact with it. For applications where it is safely enclosed or mixed with another material it may have its uses. I think analysis on a case-by-case basis is the right way to go.

Leaded paint is only really dangerous if you pry it off the wall and swallow it. Who would do that?

Or if it is pulverized into dust and becomes airborne, like when you open/close an old painted window, or door.

Re: EPA is allowing asbestos back into manufacturing

#105
post #5

What is happening to the EPA in the US is really unbelievable. How low will the bar get for the polluters in this country, one wonders?

It is not unbelievable, it is the stated stance of the GOP to reduce environmental and health regulations, and they are doing it. It is exactly what we voted for.

"We" didn't vote for this. A bit less than 25% of us voted for it, a bit more than 25% voted against it, and nearly 50% of us didn't bother to vote at all. (3rd parties got a small number of votes in the middle there too.)

Neither of the major parties has a majority, or anything like a "mandate" about what the American people want. The majority wants "none of the above". If anyone figures out how to get that majority motivated to vote for them, they'll sweep the election.

Re: EPA is allowing asbestos back into manufacturing

#106
post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EPA already allows asbestos to be used in a huge range of products. I simply cannot see what justification could be made for allowing asbestos to continue to be used in cement sheet, floor tile and brake pads. It might pose no immediate hazard when installed, but it could become a serious hazard at any point during its lifespan. Cement sheets crack and crumble, floor tiles become worn and get replaced, brake pads…

The danger of asbestos to regular people is way overstated. Yes, if you work around it every day for years without wearing a mask you'll regret it. If it's in your floor tiles and one breaks, you'll be fine.

So how does the asbestos get into your floor or ceiling?

People have to work with it and those people are not hazmat wearing highly paid specialists but your normal workers who get the burden of making sure that they take all precautions during their whole working career no matter the environmental conditions. And the only support they get from their employer are probably just the mask and a note to always use it.

Disclaimer: I have an asbestos linked death in my immediate family so my opinion may be biased.

Re: EPA is allowing asbestos back into manufacturing

#107
post #3

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/is-epa-allowing-asbestos-p... The EPA has not changed anything about currently banned uses of asbestos, and any new uses would first be assessed by the agency.

Snopes is not a source. It's a guy, his ex wife, and his hooker girlfriend. Not making this shit up.

Re: EPA is allowing asbestos back into manufacturing

#108
post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The danger of asbestos to regular people is way overstated. Yes, if you work around it every day for years without wearing a mask you'll regret it. If it's in your floor tiles and one breaks, you'll be fine.

If you're going to express an opinion, particularly one contrary to widely held beliefs/truths, you need to provide evidence/reasons. That's called "discourse."

See my other reply.

Re: EPA is allowing asbestos back into manufacturing

#109
post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The danger of asbestos to regular people is way overstated. Yes, if you work around it every day for years without wearing a mask you'll regret it. If it's in your floor tiles and one breaks, you'll be fine.

So how does the asbestos get into your floor or ceiling? People have to work with it and those people are not hazmat wearing highly paid specialists but your normal workers who get the burden of making sure that they take all precautions during their whole working career no matter the environmental conditions. And the only support they get from their employer are probably just the mask and a note to always use it. Di…

That's unfortunate but again, I was talking about the danger of asbestos to people who don't work with it for a living.

Re: EPA is allowing asbestos back into manufacturing

#110
>EPA is now allowing asbestos back into manufacturing

Wow, misleading headline of the decade. Asbestos was never completely banned from manufacturing in the United States, only for certain items.

https://www.epa.gov/asbestos/us-federal-bans-asbestos

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbestos_and_the_law_(United_S...

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