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YouTube Bans Alex Jones, Following Facebook's and Apple's Lead

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Re: YouTube Bans Alex Jones, Following Facebook's and Apple's Lead

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Post by gamblor956 »

e40 wrote: post #38
pavlov wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why?

Now that he knows where the line is, he'll step back behind it. The pressure from the many fans of his will pressure the companies to put him back on, because he promised to be good . Just a guess.

I would predict he'll be back for a different reason.

He'll simply create new accounts, and on this new account he'll toe right up to the line without going over it (until 2019).

The pressure from his many fans will have no effect, because they're not a market that any company wants to be associated with.

Re: YouTube Bans Alex Jones, Following Facebook's and Apple's Lead

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Post by gamblor956 »

internet_user wrote: post #51

First, they came for Alex Jones.

No, first Alex Jones demanded the assassination of our sitting president. Then he demanded that someone kill the woman running to replace the president. Then he accused a pizza shop of running a pedophilia ring, almost resulting in the deaths of multiple employees and customers when someone took him up on the offer. Then he accused parents of murdered children of staging a false flag event for money.

Then, despite all this, he was still allowed to spew his nonsense. Until one day his own supporters starting chanting about fake reporting in the media. And it turns out he was one of the biggest sources of fake news. So they finally got rid of him.

Re: YouTube Bans Alex Jones, Following Facebook's and Apple's Lead

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Post by gamblor956 »

myf01d wrote: post #73
senorjazz wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> CNN and other liberal media aren't really much different CNN and others only look liberal if you are way out there on the right. They are anything but liberal.

enlighten me, they are what then?

NBCNews is quite liberal, and they openly embrace that part of the political spectrum. CNN tries to maintain neutrality.

Re: YouTube Bans Alex Jones, Following Facebook's and Apple's Lead

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Post by threatofrain »

torpfactory wrote: post #60
Tomminn wrote: post #12

From Wikipedia: "The InfoWars website receives approximately 10 million monthly visits, making it more visited than some mainstream news websites such as The Economist and Newsweek." This bothers me. Say what you like about his content, but it is not fringe. He is the preferred "thinker" of a significant fraction of the population. If you think the solution is to deplatform him, you're thinking about the problem wron…

I think many people lack the cognitive tools to think critically in general. Alex Jones type characters prey upon peoples’ fears and emotions. Debating his supporters is often nigh impossible - in order to become a supporter you must already lack the abilities that make reasonable debate possible.

Critical thinking also takes critical facts.

Re: YouTube Bans Alex Jones, Following Facebook's and Apple's Lead

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Post by bdcravens »

stuckinarut wrote: post #86
bdcravens wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's atop Google search today, and articles on his site about "the purge" have far more engagement than others, so apparently many are seeking him out in light of the news.

And not one person is getting him as a suggested video on YouTube, shared on Facebook, etc... Deplatforming is effective.

I suspect his fans will be pointing others to his website, and probably twisting the narrative ("The truth Facebook doesn't want you to hear!")

Re: YouTube Bans Alex Jones, Following Facebook's and Apple's Lead

#106

Post by dang »

myf01d wrote: post #36
myf01d wrote: post #25

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what did I expect from HN anyway except purging non-liberal ideas with their downvoting SS force?

If you continue to violate the site guidelines we are going to ban your account. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use HN as intended.

Re: YouTube Bans Alex Jones, Following Facebook's and Apple's Lead

#107

Post by slededit »

gamblor956 wrote: post #85
slededit wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first amendment represents an ideal. An ideal the country is walking back from as it discovers a large faction does not share the same morals. The decision to silence instead of engage will lead to disintegration of the country if its not dealt with.

First Amendment is about government action, not self-motivated private/corporation action. Facebook, Spotify, and Apple realized that continuing to allow Alex Jones to remain on their platforms would result in substantial harm to the commercial viability of their platforms, as a result of boycotts, lawsuits, etc. by the 99% of people that Alex Jones spends his life spewing lies about. It was an easy financial decisio…

The only rational solution is to make political affiliation a protected class. It is the only way to ensure democracy in this age of corporations which exert national control over what we see and hear. Radio waves had FCC protection, no such system exists for the internet which is rapidly replacing these systems.

If in the days of the first amendment paper producers conspired en mass to censor we would have seen it dealt with then. Alas its a modern problem which is ours to solve.

Re: YouTube Bans Alex Jones, Following Facebook's and Apple's Lead

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Post by dang »

sergiotapia wrote: post #54
nasredin wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pardon me, if I misunderstood you. Jones is already mainstream. He is not going to get smaller if you give him bigger platforms. Unrelated question. Can somebody explain to me, how he went from "9/11 was inside job, police are jackbooted thugs, anti Bush, anti Obama" to being pro police, pro government? I want to understand the logic behind this.

How indeed? Best not talk about it here on hackernews though, it's wrongthink and will get you banned. Remember there's no conspiracy to control the narrative. It's totally a coincidence that Alex Jones got banned from Youtube, itunes, and Facebook simultaneously.

I'm surprised that such an established HN user as you would say something that absurd about HN moderation.

Re: YouTube Bans Alex Jones, Following Facebook's and Apple's Lead

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Post by myf01d »

dang wrote: post #106
myf01d wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what did I expect from HN anyway except purging non-liberal ideas with their downvoting SS force?

If you continue to violate the site guidelines we are going to ban your account. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use HN as intended.

I don't see where I violated your guidelines, maybe I am not liberal enough? why am I always downvoted massively whenever I post a non-ultra-liberal comment? why? what if I posted a comment ridiculing the current POTUS and praising the former POTUS? will I get upvoted or downvoted do you think? I think you know the answer

Re: YouTube Bans Alex Jones, Following Facebook's and Apple's Lead

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Post by krapp »

internet_user wrote: post #51

First, they came for Alex Jones.

>First, they came for Alex Jones.

You know, it's interesting how often this poem, written to warn people about the dangers of the Nazis, is almost exclusively invoked nowadays in defense of Nazis and people who share their ideology.

I mean, I get the free speech argument... even though this is less an argument and more a lazy attempt at pseudointellectual concern trolling... but why is it only ever a slippery slope to come for the Nazis, but never a slippery slope to let the Nazis come for us?

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