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I don't think you've sufficiently proven the argument which the rest of your statements hinge on: "People are always going to make choices in their economic self-interest". It's an attractive (if somewhat cynical) point, but it's no more reasonable than any other generalisation. Not very.
Its patently obvious. No sane individual will systematically go against their economy self interest.
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#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
If anything, voting patterns in the US prove this wrong.
Tax reform means my organically growing startup gets to keep 33% more of our profit to reinvest back into the company, which has meaningfully impacted our annual budget and growth trajectory. VC funded startups get the advantage of growing ahead of profit, and booking tax losses which they can carry forward. Bootstrapping means growth driven by profit, which necessitates paying income taxes on the ever growing cash b…
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China threw massive subsidies at solar, and they readily admit there was a great deal of waste and graft, but now that the dust has settled China is the industry leader.
But there's no telling what the opportunity cost was. Likely far more massive than whatever short-term benefits from being an industry leader.
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#134A trend that's been growing for quite a (long!) while now is exemplified by this article: " Tesla did not respond to Ars’ request for comment on Sunday. " Who in their right minds realistically expects any organisation to respond to some random journalistic enquiry on a Sunday ? The other major variant of this shyster tactic is along the lines of, "Company X failed to respond immediately when asked for comment." No c…
Everyone. This is an on-demand world, where news is happening constantly. To not have someone available for comment at all times is borderline incompetence.
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#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
> People are always going to make choices in their economic self-interest. I would add that they will make choices in their understanding of their economic self-interest. People are not rational actors.
Rationality, in the economic sense, doesn't mean making objectively correct decisions as perceived from the outside. It means to make decisions in the furtherance of a particular subjective goal. Making decisions that later turn out to be counter to those ends does not mean that person was behaving irrationality, just that they were wrong. In other words, economically irrational actors are individuals who act consist…
The particular subjective goal is “experienced utility”, and economic rationality not only presumes that that can be meaningfully summed across time but also that the decision made will be made with perfect information as to resulting utilities and disutility and maximize the net lifetime experienced utility.
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#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It seems like the entire solar industry is focused more on extracting government subsidies than on creating long term revenue streams. Some might argue this is the exact nature of government subsidies. People are always going to make choices in their economic self-interest. Either solar needs to be the most cost effective solution for their energy needs, or the government needs to artificially inflate the cost of o…
> Some might argue this is the exact nature of government subsidies. I'm not sure why that's bad though. It's true it'd be nice if US science was unfettered by the constant funding-directed pressure to find novel ways to kill people (or support folks doing said killing), but it is true that it spurs research in a variety of areas. > Either solar needs to be the most cost effective solution for their energy needs, or…
That is not a feature or consequence of capitalism. Fraud exists in any economic system, and the punishments for fraud are independent of the economic system itself.
> I hope people understand that this is actually a religious point, not a scientific one. The science says quite the opposite.
Science can say whatever it wants, if you look at our world objectively, it's quite plain to see people are motivateed primarily by economic forces.
For instance, in the following article [1] (top relevant, second overall google search result for 'why buy an electric car'):
>Q: Why should someone should go out and buy an electric car right now?
> A: They can make a huge contribution to reducing carbon dioxide emissions—that's the most important reason. There are advantages in terms of going into the carpool lane. Electric vehicles are becoming (price) competitive with internal combustion engines. In our report we looked at the life-cycle cost of ... electric cars, hybrid electric cars, gas-powered cars and we found that, for example, the Nissan Leaf and the Smart car are competitive right now even without (government) incentives. What's driving down the cost of EVs is the reduction in the cost of the battery. Another important point is that the maintenance is minimal.
There are several reasons given. All but the first are clearly economic reasons meant to persuade people into buy an electric car. I believe this to be because, in the opinion of the answer, buying an electric vehicle has positive economic incentives that the reader might not recognize immediately, and they are providing a case for overall economic benefit to the purchaser.
The first point is not immediately about economics, but I argue that it is indirectly. The best way to decrease your carbon footprint is to not have a car and to sleep outdoors. Of course, that is not an economically viable or desirable option for most people. These people have made a self-interested economic decision to own a personal conveyance that operates on public highways at the expense of carbon emissions.
There will always be a cross section of personal motivations (tastes, preferences) and economic self interest. The wealthy can afford to pursue the former at the expense of the latter; the average person will be more adherent to economic self interest in for the future or marginal pursuance of the former.
[1] https://phys.org/news/2018-02-shouldand-shouldntbuy-electric...
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#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It seems like the entire solar industry is focused more on extracting government subsidies than on creating long term revenue streams. Some might argue this is the exact nature of government subsidies. People are always going to make choices in their economic self-interest. Either solar needs to be the most cost effective solution for their energy needs, or the government needs to artificially inflate the cost of o…
> People are always going to make choices in their economic self-interest. Why does 89 octane gasoline exist? The magic of solar city is simple -- they figured out how to market easy monthly payments for a big capital investment. People decide to go solar for all sorts of reasons, and financial is usually not the driver. I live in the northeast, and it's marginal value, you save like $20/mo in electric bills and are…
You need to ask why does gasoline contaminated with ethanol still exist, when all it does is increase the cost of gasoline (per mile), decrease mileage (per gallon), and increase emissions (both per mile and gallon).
Drivers would save tons of money if they'd refuse to buy it, we would just need to get enough of us together to get such a thing done.
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You wandered off into conspiracy theory land.
I don't believe I did. It's not a conspiracy to point out that if the press is doing their job now by investigating things, they were not doing their job for years previously. If you don't do what you're supposed to for years, then suddenly change, is it a conspiracy to think that something caused that change? It's not crazy to point out that the press hates Donald Trump, and that Donald Trump loves Elon Musk. It's a…
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That's a shite excuse. "Just following orders" etc.
Have you worked at a company before?
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#140Does anyone know who owns arstechnica? I have noticed a pattern of negative reporting directed towards anything associated with Elon Musk.