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Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

#181
It hurts to think about how much brainpower is being spent worldwide, over and over for decades, by busines customers and competing developers, on......

sending text.... from one computer to others.

I have this nightmare where I wake up in the year 2045 and am still reading about yet another chat app being released that’s incompatible with the hundreds of others out there.

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

#182

As a Hipchat user, I welcome this decision. I was not happy with using Hipchat at work for a number of reasons including * No inline syntax highlight * No edit of message (apparently I've seen some do this but I never figured it out) * can only attach one image at a time * Message fails to send then after some retries, sends multiple times It's great that I won't have to use it again. However I'm a bit surprised that…

Last time I used hipchat, you could edit your last message with s/search/replace à la sed

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not?

Probably because they don't want to (or can't) have a huge portion of their company's internal communication stored forever on a third-party server. I still find it hard to believe that so many companies are okay with doing that.

And yet most large companies are using AWS and the like. This obsession with "MUST be behind OUR firewall!" is very arrogant, penny-wise pound-foolish thinking - and it tends to wither in the face of a frank, honest cost/benefit analysis.

Amazon probably has more, if not better, security and engineers than most of the companies we're talking about.

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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What options are left for self-hosted chat systems with comparable features? We've been using self-hosted Hipchat at our company and there is zero chance we will ever use a cloud solution.

Did you tried Movim? It's a web based XMPP platform.

* Self-hosted (simple web application), a Docker image is available, Debian package incoming

* Chatrooms and one to one chat with file sharing, embeded pictures, administration, discoverability, message editing, archives management, synchronisation between devices

* Post publication in Communities and personnal accounts

* Compatible with XMPP transports and services like Biboumi to bridge it with IRC

* Responsive so it fit on your desktop and your mobile (the UI is also fully in sync between your devices)

* Video-conferencing (one to one)

* and many other things…

You can check it on https://movim.eu/ and give it a try :)

P.S.: I'm the maintainer of the project

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

#185

Huge problem for on-prem Hipchat customers. Plenty of customers out there not willing to put all their internal communications on the other side of their firewall, and now have to migrate. Slack doesn't have an on-prem option. Microsoft Teams doesn't have an on-prem option. What are enterprises supposed to use, RocketChat? Matrix? With no clear migration path? Really poor move on Atlassian's part. It would be one thi…

Would Keybase Teams fit the bill, with end to end encryption? Or has to be on-prem, even if encrypted, for your requirements? (I don't have any association with Keybase, I've just investigated this product as a Slack alternative.)

Has to be on-prem if the networks are air-gapped. KB Teams also has a long way to go to meet feature-parity - channels, integrations, etc.

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

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Huge problem for on-prem Hipchat customers. Plenty of customers out there not willing to put all their internal communications on the other side of their firewall, and now have to migrate. Slack doesn't have an on-prem option. Microsoft Teams doesn't have an on-prem option. What are enterprises supposed to use, RocketChat? Matrix? With no clear migration path? Really poor move on Atlassian's part. It would be one thi…

Setup an old faishoned IRC server?

One of the main benefits of Slack (to me, at least) is persistence, which you don't get from IRC.

If I'm not connected to Slack, or even a member of a Slack channel - I can connect/join the channel and be able to get all of the history back to the beginning of the channel (or whatever Slack's limitation is).

This makes it very easy to jump into the middle of a conversation and not worry you've missed some important context.

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

#187

Huge problem for on-prem Hipchat customers. Plenty of customers out there not willing to put all their internal communications on the other side of their firewall, and now have to migrate. Slack doesn't have an on-prem option. Microsoft Teams doesn't have an on-prem option. What are enterprises supposed to use, RocketChat? Matrix? With no clear migration path? Really poor move on Atlassian's part. It would be one thi…

> Slack doesn't have an on-prem option. Microsoft Teams doesn't have an on-prem option. What are enterprises supposed to use, RocketChat? Matrix? With no clear migration path? Mattermost[1], with a clear migration path from Slack, at least. [1] https://mattermost.com/

Matrix also has migration paths from Slack, eg https://github.com/lampholder/concorde

edit: also https://github.com/Cadair/skill-matrixslack

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

#188

When is this overhype for Slack going to stop? It is a chat application with a slightly improved UI like it existed 30 years ago. This is a step in corporate IT that I really cannot fully understand. It seems that every company//startup has to use slack nowadays to pretend to be cool again. Everytime I have a serious conversation about the productivity gains or losses of Slack though, it is pretty clear to me that it…

"Always on", except when they are down, which has been a monthly occurrence lately...

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

#189

Huge problem for on-prem Hipchat customers. Plenty of customers out there not willing to put all their internal communications on the other side of their firewall, and now have to migrate. Slack doesn't have an on-prem option. Microsoft Teams doesn't have an on-prem option. What are enterprises supposed to use, RocketChat? Matrix? With no clear migration path? Really poor move on Atlassian's part. It would be one thi…

Would Keybase Teams fit the bill, with end to end encryption? Or has to be on-prem, even if encrypted, for your requirements? (I don't have any association with Keybase, I've just investigated this product as a Slack alternative.)

We use Keybase for work chat. It's quite good, and the file sharing options make it even better--you get a synthetic filesystem mounted under /keybase, so you can share a file to the whole team by copying it to /keybase/team/TeamName/, or share it with just one person by copying to /keybase/private/,/

Re: Slack Is Buying HipChat from Atlassian

#190

When is this overhype for Slack going to stop? It is a chat application with a slightly improved UI like it existed 30 years ago. This is a step in corporate IT that I really cannot fully understand. It seems that every company//startup has to use slack nowadays to pretend to be cool again. Everytime I have a serious conversation about the productivity gains or losses of Slack though, it is pretty clear to me that it…

A few months ago slack's early plan was posted here. From day one this was the goal - they knew it was just a chat app so they had to make it feel like something different. Its one of the best marketing coups in recent history and I'd love to see more analysis on how it was pulled off.

It also see it as a hugely successful marketing coup.

As an early employee of a startup, I remember the day we had to setup the initial infrastructure. For the majority in the room, Slack was an absolute requirement. They didn't wanted to have the ability to chat, they wanted to specifically use Slack, like a badge of honor.

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